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Windoze 10 upgrade!
LSemmens - 30-7-2015 at 03:12

Just performed the free windoze 10 upgrade on my lappy and, so far, seems to be VERY happy. Certainly runs a little smoother, time will tell, of course. Anyone else done it?

John Barnes - 30-7-2015 at 04:41

Mine says all is ready but wait and that's on a reserved one, maybe they don't want me to have it lol

Nimuae - 30-7-2015 at 05:41

Does it look anything like Windows 8 ?

LSemmens - 30-7-2015 at 06:46

Nothing like windoze 8, fortunately. FWIW does not appear to be too much different to Windoze 7 but does seem a little smoother. So far it has me convinced. Normally a new version of Windoze to me is a wait and see game and I'll test it for a short time before I take the plunge, but this one is, so far, the best yet........(I hope I never have to return and eat those words:D)

marymary100 - 30-7-2015 at 08:08

I don't have it yet. I'm doing a "wait and see".

Katzy - 30-7-2015 at 08:41

A few things concerns me, about W10.

How are Micro$oft going to make money, if this is the last version there'll be?

Paid-for updates? Ads?

Nobody else seems to have answered this, convincingly.

I found this babble:


and this, which intimates it'll be made on support:


How will we reinstall W10, for instance, when it croaks, as it invariably will, as we won't have a CD/DVD? (I'll be making a backup, before the "upgrade" and a separate one, afterwards).

Surely, not just from selling so-called Apps?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/windows-10-free-why-is-microsoft-giving-away-its-new-operating-sys tem-and-whos-losing-out-9995492.html

Seems you can't stop Windows update, either.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/windows-10-users-cant-turn-off-updates-on-new-microsoft-operating- system-10396373.html

I'll let my firewall take care of that, I guess.

I'll let my second machine upgrade and play around, with that, for a while, before I take the plunge with this one.

Katzy - 30-7-2015 at 08:52

Actually, having just read this, I might hold off for quite a while...


Quaver - 30-7-2015 at 10:53

Originally posted by marymary100
I don't have it yet. I'm doing a "wait and see".

Me too.

Mine's a Windows 8.1 and has a start menu.
Hubby has a windows 7, so may try it on his first:D

John Barnes - 30-7-2015 at 11:03

Yes I have it now but I jumped the queue as Microsoft seemed to want me wait, so I went on to Media Creation Tool and downloaded it from there. but beware make sure you pick the correct 32 bit or the 64 bit version whichever is pertinent to your machine jmb

LSemmens - 30-7-2015 at 11:53

Interestingly enough, Katzy, having read those articles, to which you linked, there is not much in them that I found to be a deal breaker. Most of the "features" of which they complained I had already found, and turned off without much hassle. Yes Updates cannot be turned off, but you can set them to give you a chance to shut down in an orderly fashion, despite the claims. (time will tell if this is so, or not). The only thing that might be a deal breaker is the issue with VPN, but that will not affect too many of us.

It's not that much different to W7, but, that said, it is the first OS since never that I have installed on day 1 and have decided to keep so quickly.
I went from DOS 2.11 to DOS 6 & W3.1 only because of a machine upgrade. W95 was on my new machine and I found W98 no real advantage. Win ME has the dubious honour of only lasting 15minutes on any of my machines, W2K was the first OS to replace an OS on a current machine. XP was also a replacement after much testing. Vista was tested but never a serious contender, as were many Linux variants. Win 7 was, arguably, the best yet! It also arrived on a new machine (this Lappy) and then became the main OS on my media server. Supporting Win 8 machines for friends convinced me never to install it. So far W10 has impressed me on technology (this Lappy) that is now 5 years old. (intel dual core - 4Gb RAM and 128Gb Hdd, ATI GPU running 64bit - so - nothing remarkable)

Redwolf5150 - 30-7-2015 at 11:58

Mine has started gently prodding me to update but hasn't INSISTED yet.

I'm actually HAPPY with 8.2 but looks like I won't have much of a choice shortly.

Katzy - 30-7-2015 at 12:44

How easy is it, to get rid of that damnable Cortana whinger?

Might find that and other tweaks, here...


JackInCT - 30-7-2015 at 13:37

The word on the street is that the MS Watchers in Redmond are closely watching the senior execs parking lot to see whose car is no longer being parked there (as in the exec is no longer working there). A similar signpost is to see whose parking spot marked as 'reserved for so & so' gets painted over.

In a similar vein resumes/aka curriculum vitae are being redone in two distinct versions, (1) the writer was a mission critical player/coder responsibilities in getting Win 10 to market, or (2) the writer had negligible responsibilities/involvement in Win 10.

Katzy - 30-7-2015 at 14:09

Found how to kill Cortana and the Bing thing.


I see they've killed Media Player, for me, this time. :D I hope they've killed Movie maker and all the other crap, too. Let's hope we can get rid of IE, or whatever they call it, now, too...

John Barnes - 30-7-2015 at 15:40

Just found out after 3 goes that AVG is incompatible with windows 10 so I have downloaded Avira fingers crossed it does not chuck that one out of the pram

marymary100 - 30-7-2015 at 16:01

Ah, I use Movie Maker for work so it will be bad for me.

Katzy - 30-7-2015 at 16:27

Camtasia, TMPGEnc and Virutaldub (Only for avi files) are way better, MM.

I can help you, with those, obviously. ;)

LSemmens - 31-7-2015 at 01:56

AVG is working fine for me, it went through the upgrade process without a complaint.

marymary100 - 31-7-2015 at 08:32

Remember to create a bootable disc if you do accept the upgrade. Someone I know installed it yesterday and it caused a crash overnight. The system is asking for a disc which of course he doesn't have.

LSemmens - 31-7-2015 at 09:06

IIRC there is rollback option so that this should not happen. I'm not saying that it cannot happen, but W10 does seem to be far better than previous releases.

marymary100 - 31-7-2015 at 09:27

Originally posted by Katzy
Camtasia, TMPGEnc and Virutaldub (Only for avi files) are way better, MM.

I can help you, with those, obviously. ;)
Schools are funny about things like that so I have no "admin" privileges to make changes. lips_sealed

Katzy - 31-7-2015 at 10:03


My AVG seems OK, too. :)

Re: The crap automatic updates thing, M$ have released a "fix". Bit like closing the door, after the horse has bolted, though...


Here's a better "How to" than M$ have:


John Barnes - 31-7-2015 at 10:15

Some people may find they fulfil all the criteria for the windows 10 update but they cant update receiving an error code 80004002 and this effectively vetoes the download. One way around this is to disable your antivirus and firewall and then go to the Windows update and check for updates again, this will 99 times out of a hundred circumvent the error code, especially if you running AVG anti virus which you may find incompatible in windows 10. Any how AVG came as one of the least effective choices of anti virus software in a recent Computer Active magazine review.
Avira came out very near the top for a free programme and is compatible in Windows 10, I hope this helps any frustrated members out in forum land. Also if still unsuccessful try the Media creation tool (Google for it) this will put windows 10 on, but make sure you pick which bitrate setting you need, either 32 bit or 64 bit whichever is pertinent to your original system .jmb

Katzy - 31-7-2015 at 12:07

Ah... Mine's the supposedly "Paid for" version. ;)

The thing that scares the sh1t out of me, is the number off things that the firewall asks me to allow access to the net to! Spying? Micro$oft? You betcha!

It won't be going on my main machine until I have no other choice.

Apart from the theme I want to use, everything that did work, still seems to, thus far.

The start menu's a dog's breakfast, for me. I'll have to hack into it, to see if I can sort that out. I had directories, in there, with programs within those directories.

On the whole...

[bad img]http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/thumbsdown3.gif[/bad img]

I certainly wouldn't pay for it! If I wanted a smartphone, I'd have one. A smartphone interface, on a desktop machine, is... well... incongruous.

LSemmens - 31-7-2015 at 13:28

It looks like the ubiquitous Freecell has gone AWOL, too.

marymary100 - 31-7-2015 at 14:13

You now have to pay a subscription for Solitaire etc. shocked_yellow

LSemmens - 31-7-2015 at 15:36

NOT HAPPY BILLIE! I just found this out, mary. I thought I'd be smart and copy it over from W7 which is still resident in the "recovery" folder and play it, but W10 won't run it. Looks like I'm on the lookout for another time waster that ain't gonna plague me for my money!

John Barnes - 31-7-2015 at 16:07

No there is a free version of Solitaire in the apps store on Windows 10, I don't play free cell so I cant help on that one, you have to make a Microsoft account to get Apps, so that another way they tie you to their apron strings

Katzy - 31-7-2015 at 18:47

The ones I put a link to, here, for Scholar, still work. The old XP games.

marymary100 - 31-7-2015 at 19:11

The "free" version makes you wait while an advert plays and the "boost" option requires more adverts to be watched. Basically you'll no longer be on a level playing field - a bit like those who play free games then have to pay for add ons to play the game properly.

Remember when this seemed futuristic

marymary100 - 31-7-2015 at 22:32



First, you’ll want to open Settings and click on Privacy. There, you’ll find 13 different screens — yes, 13 — to go through, and you’ll want to disable anything that seems worrying. The blog notes that most of the important settings can be found on the General tab, though other tabs are important as well. For example, you’ll definitely want to adjust what types of data each app on your system can access.

Next, users should consider dumping Cortana. Yes, the voice-driven assistant is easily one of the best new features in Windows 10, but it also plays fast and loose with your data. As a result, many users will find that the benefits do not outweigh the risks.

For the third task, you’ll have to venture outside the confines of your PC and hit the web. Perhaps this is a good opportunity to check out Microsoft’s nifty new Edge browser. In it, click on this link and set both “Personalised ads in this browser” and “Personalised ads wherever I use my Microsoft account” to off. This will disable Microsoft’s Google-style ad tracking features.

The last tip is one that most users will likely forgo, as it is a bit excessive. Rock Paper Shotgun recommends removing your Microsoft account from Windows 10 completely and using a newly made local account instead. This way, Microsoft doesn’t grab hold of all your data to sync it across machines. To us that’s a great and useful feature, but if you want to kill it just follow the link below in our source section for complete instructions and plenty more details.

LSemmens - 31-7-2015 at 23:28

Already did all that, but thanks, Mary.

Katzy - 1-8-2015 at 09:02

I have to say... I'm finding it to be a real dog, thus far.

No way is it ever going on my main machine.

Maybe, once the tweakers have got some tools on the go, it might improve.

The things, for me, is that everything has to be the way M$ want it, rather than how I want it. I don't want tiles. I want a list. I don't want every program splurged all over the start menu, I want them in directories, as I have now.

Going to users>Kat>Start menu allowed me to do that, dead easily. Now, I can't even find where the start menu stuff is! Probably in the M$ bloody cloud, somewhere.

Awful thing. Hate it, with a passion, as it is.

John Barnes - 1-8-2015 at 12:38

download free advanced system care and in the toolbox it will let have a windows start up menu without those silly tiles also booster driver will find all our out dated drivers and update them to the latest
ones so easy.

also I am still getting failed on the automatic update for my 8.1 though I fulfil all the criteria so I have downloaded Media creation tool again and I am in the process of saving it, and when done I will burn to a ISO copy and put it on DVD 64 bit architecture this time .jmb

LSemmens - 1-8-2015 at 13:21

C:/ProgramData/Microsoft/Windows/Start Menu/Programs Deals with most of them

Katzy - 1-8-2015 at 13:48

Ta, gents! I've just purloined ClassicShell, which I'll have a go with. I thought I'd looked everywhere, for the start menu, Leigh. I thought I'd there, though. Must've missed it, somehow. I'll have another gander, later.

So many things I've tried have resulted in "Access denied" messages, even after I've taken ownership. As I said, it's always rather piddled me off, that M$ always insist on you having things the way they want them, rather than how I do.

Bring back the Amiga! :D

John Barnes - 1-8-2015 at 14:07

I am now the proud (pride comes before a fall lol) owner of a windows 10 install DVD and it works ok, the only caveat is you must have the serial number of your windows 8 installation which can easily be obtained by downloading Belarc advisor which tells you 100% percent about your computer

LSemmens - 1-8-2015 at 15:18

I've got a couple of Commodore 64s if you are interested........;)
This article gives you some customisation options for the start menu

Katzy - 1-8-2015 at 18:00

It asked for my Product key. I just hit "Skip", as it didn't like the one I gave it, for some reason. :)

I read that page, Leigh, Thanks. Oddly enough, some of my exe files won't pin, even if I create a shortcut. Bloody annoying that it insists on creating the shortcut on the desktop, too, though it doesn't seem to mind if you move that shortcut.


Oddly, not all programs that are installed are appearing under "All apps", either

Katzy - 2-8-2015 at 09:32

Classic Shell is really rather good!

I'm also using Aston Menu, which used to integrate with the shell, but doesn't, with W10. But, an icon in the quick launch brings it up.

Oddly, C:/ProgramData/Microsoft/Windows/Start Menu/Program has some of the start menu, but nowhere near all. I'm beginning to wonder just how much is held on the M$ servers, rather than on my machine. So many things keep connecting to the net that I find it quite worrying.

Edited to add this link:


LSemmens - 2-8-2015 at 13:07

Could be interesting to see what breaks if you disconnect from the 'net for a time.

Katzy - 2-8-2015 at 16:14

I'm using my firewall to block things, in a kinda ad-hoc way. Nothing's croaked, thus far.

Katzy - 3-8-2015 at 09:16

Except the mail scanner on AVG.

I never use that machine for mails, though. :)

John Barnes - 3-8-2015 at 10:05

How weird I have just installed Windows 10 on one of my SSD drives and it accepted AVG anti virus no problem, whereas on a normal hard it rejected it and I changed to Avira, maybe in the ensuing two days between installs AVG has made their product compatible to windows 10 ?

Katzy - 3-8-2015 at 10:41

I've forced mine to delay updates, coz I'm sure they'll put all the stuff I've blatted back (OneDrive/Cortana/&c.).

Just had a worrying thought... What if the next service pack for W7 foists all this crap on us that use it? And won't let us get rid of it?

That really is worrying.

Just found explorer++. It's portable and it's a little gem!


You can set it to replace Windaz explorer, although it's best to put the program where it's going to live, before you do that. If you do it from a directory where you may have downloaded it to, then move it, things will croak, coz the path will've changed (He notes from experience). If you do do that, though, it's easy enough to correct. :)

marymary100 - 4-8-2015 at 11:57

Didn't see that one coming


Quaver - 4-8-2015 at 13:07

Originally posted by marymary100
Didn't see that one coming

About six months after we got married, hubby's laptop broke. He bought a new laptop, so I offered to remove the hard disk from his old lappy, put it into a usb hdd caddy, then onto the new laptop.

You won't believe what I found in My Pictureswaggyfinger

I moved everything onto the new laptop, but few days later when I went to check, those vids were gone from his new laptop.confused2

Strange, because I definitely copied it over, and played them all to check if it runs OK on the new PC.

LSemmens - 5-8-2015 at 00:10

Word of Warning from the same article

A feature designed to easily let people share WiFi passwords with friends automatically shares your WiFi passwords with all Outlook, Skype and Facebook contacts who also use Windows 10, experts have warned.

To change your settings, go to Network settings then Manage Wi-Fi settings (Settings > Network & Internet > Wi-Fi > Manage Wi-Fi Settings).

There, you can choose which contacts you share WiFi settings with.

You can toggle the setting to discover friends' Wi-Fi networks, or opt not to.

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Katzy - 5-8-2015 at 09:55


Serves him right, MM. He shouldn't've kept it secret.

I've done everything, shown here:


I've also set the firewall to block everything that Windows does. But, of course, any updates, should I install them, will, no doubt, set everything back.

On a scale of one to ten, the likelihood of me rolling back to W7 is, currently, at around nine. Just have to remember when my month's up.

BUT, will doing that remove ALL of the spyware? Probably not. What's the betting that they stop supporting Vista, Seven and Eight pretty soon, though?

Windows Ten seems like a good advert for Apple and Linux.

I remember, years back, a banner stating that Windows was the world's first commercially-available virus.

Seems even more apt, that, now.

Redwolf5150 - 5-8-2015 at 12:19

Originally posted by Katzy

I see they've killed Media Player, for me, this time. :D I hope they've killed Movie maker and all the other crap, too. Let's hope we can get rid of IE, or whatever they call it, now, too...

I actually USE Media Player!

John Barnes - 5-8-2015 at 12:39

Its Media centre not Windows media player that has been dropped by Windows 10

LSemmens - 5-8-2015 at 12:44

Linux maybe, Apple have their own problems

John Barnes - 5-8-2015 at 19:11

Some one who could not get windows 10 because the Microsoft download kept failing found out if you disconnected the Sata DVD drives the download came down okay, worth a try if they are struggling .I just made two Iso copies one 32 bit and the other 64 bit and and burned then to DVD.

Katzy - 9-8-2015 at 10:58

As always, removing stuff you don't want, just to save disk space, is overly complicated. You can't right-click and select "Uninstall", coz that'd be far to simple.

For example, if you don't have an X-Box, why would you want the X-Box app? It won't let you uninstall that. So, you have to jump through hoops.

I've found a way to do it, of course.

But, here's the "Official" way of doing it:

Run the so-called "Powershell" as an admin.
Now, you need to paste the appropriate code for each app you want to remove from Windows 10. (Two commands, including a " | ")

Get-AppxPackage *xbox* | Remove-AppxPackage

(You might get errors. But, the damned thing should be gone)

For some other crap:

Get-AppxPackage *3d* | Remove-AppxPackage

Get-AppxPackage *camera* | Remove-AppxPackage

Mail and Calendar:
Get-AppxPackage *communi* | Remove-AppxPackage

Money, Sports, News and Weather:
Get-AppxPackage *bing* | Remove-AppxPackage

Groove Music:
Get-AppxPackage *zune* | Remove-AppxPackage

Get-AppxPackage *people* | Remove-AppxPackage

Phone Companion:
Get-AppxPackage *phone* | Remove-AppxPackage

Get-AppxPackage *photo* | Remove-AppxPackage

Solitaire Collection:
Get-AppxPackage *solit* | Remove-AppxPackage

Voice Recorder:
Get-AppxPackage *soundrec* | Remove-AppxPackage

(edited: by mod LS at request of poster)

marymary100 - 9-8-2015 at 11:25

I've had my invite but haven't done it yet.

Katzy - 9-8-2015 at 20:56

What about Windows 10? [bad img]http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/evilgrin.gif[/bad img]

I wouldn't bother, until the crap's been sorted out.

Say... 2032, or thereabouts?

Katzy - 10-8-2015 at 09:58

I mistyped...

(Two commands, separated by a " | ") should've been "(Two commands, including the " | ")!

Can a mod alter the post, in case somebody uses that, please?

Ta! :)

LSemmens - 10-8-2015 at 12:32


JackInCT - 10-8-2015 at 13:28

As someone who has not upgraded to Win 10 (and has no intention of EVER doing so unless, literally, forced to do so by software that can only run on the latest Win OS iteration), I can't help but notice that there are no replies (among the huge number for this topic) re Win 10 that speak to their computer's functionality/capability/etc. that the end user never knew was possible with a computer, i. e., Win 10 is the computer equivalent of a 'godsend'. Therefore I can only conclude that Win 10 is 'much ado about nothing'; and worse, a fraud by MS, dressed up in a new suit of clothes, foisted upon end users as a new cash cow for them.

Katzy - 10-8-2015 at 17:13

Ta, Leigh!

There's nothing, with W10, that you can't do with W7. Except, perhaps, for the "apps" thing. But, that's just what we've always called "programs".

I'd never have paid for it and, as I've mentioned, there's no way it'll go on my main machine.

Mind you, I've never paid for ANY version of Windows. :D

As you said, it's Win 7 in a new dress (Which doesn't fit).

LSemmens - 10-8-2015 at 23:41

Actually I find W10 is a lot more responsive than W7 and that my system seems to run cooler too. I'm running on an old Toshiba Satellite Pro Dual core with 4Gb RAM. Just about every windows release garners much the same "evaluations" some are proven to be true, and some false. Time will tell if it is the "saviour" after the W8 debacle. Based on past form, I think it will be as M$ does seem to be hit and miss with it's OS's, i.e. one good, one bad, one good, one bad.....

marymary100 - 11-8-2015 at 09:32


Remember you need enough disc space before you proceed.

LSemmens - 11-8-2015 at 09:58

I've heard of this BSOD, they are, at least, accurate! ;)

Katzy - 11-8-2015 at 10:37

Seems about the same as W7, to me, performance-wise. I wonder if there's a difference, between X64 and x86, with that? Mine's x64.

The fans spin more vigorously, for sure.

The thing I noticed most, as you might've gathered, is the bloat. OK, there will, probably, be people who really want the extraneous poo, such as the X-Box thingy. But, many won't. Removing those things should be a lot easier than it is. Disks fill up way to quickly.

I'd be surprised if the EU doesn't insist that M$ make it obvious that there are alternatives to Windows Mail, Windows Photo-viewer, et al, just as they did with IE.

I think they should, too.

LSemmens - 12-8-2015 at 00:31

I'm running x64 and agree with the bloat, but my lappy is not being as vigorous with the fan as it was under W7. It certainly boots faster.

John Barnes - 12-8-2015 at 06:27

Leigh /If possible and you find it within your means try a SSD they are so quick they are unbelievable best thing I have done computer wise jmb

LSemmens - 13-8-2015 at 05:59

You don't have to convince me of the value of SSDs, John, it's just one of those things that I have yet to get around to prioritising. I've just discovered that the wheel bearings in my trailer have had enough! Good thing is, I discovered it at home whilst I was unloading firewood.

Katzy - 13-8-2015 at 10:40

Well, I've reverted.

For some reason, AVG fried. So, naturally, I tried to repair it. W10 Wouldn't allow me permissions and everything gave me the expected "Access denied" krudd. It wouldn't even allow me to uninstall it!!

I took ownership, tried to take full control. But, it simply wouldn't let me, always denying me access. When I reverted, AVG was still fried. But, of course, I could repair it. :D

I MIGHT try it, again...

...one day.

LSemmens - 14-8-2015 at 01:13

Sounds bloomin' crazy. I'm running AVG with no issues before, or after the upgrade. I wonder if it might be some of your hardware that is creating an issue. I hear that there are some nVidia cards that can be problematic.

John Barnes - 14-8-2015 at 01:19

At first AVG did not install but it has been up dated for W10 and runs fine on both my 32 bit and 64 bit versions just scrub it and reinstall

Katzy - 14-8-2015 at 11:17

It wouldn't let me repair. It wouldn't let me uninstall. I tried the manual steps to get rid of it and everything came-up with "Access denied". Some items simply wouldn't let me take ownership and full control.

That's plain megalomanic (Have I just invented a word, there?) "We know best!", even though they, patently, don't.

I doubt they'll take any notice of the response I gave to their "Why are you going back to Windows 7" message, either.

It's MY machine. I want control over it. OK, I know that Microsoft, technically, own the software. But, they don't own my machine. :D

John Barnes - 14-8-2015 at 11:38

Run it in safe mode and try the delete

LSemmens - 14-8-2015 at 14:03

Strangely enough Firefox, ever since it has updated itself to version 40.0 (I am now at 40.0.2) has decided that, once opened, it is not going to let me close it unless I right click on the task bar and get Windoze to force it to shut down. I've clicked on all the "Close" options in firefox and it just sits there as if to say "I'm important, you can't close me!"

Katzy - 14-8-2015 at 21:11

Tried that, John. "Access denied", there, too.

LSemmens - 15-8-2015 at 10:24

Windoze Activation for Windoze 10 upgraders, and others.

Windows product keys are almost (but not quite) a thing of the past.

With Windows 10, Microsoft has rewritten the rules for how it performs product activation on retail upgrades of Windows, including the free upgrades available for a year beginning on July 29, 2015. The net result is that clean installs will be much easier--but only after you get past the first one.

Katzy - 15-8-2015 at 18:41

It gets better and better, does it not?

marymary100 - 17-8-2015 at 17:23

May blow your data cap


Consumer groups have slammed Microsoft for its policy of forced updates for Windows 10, which is hitting customers in remote locations with massive bill shocks by blowing out their data caps.
But they warn bill shock may affect many more customers, regardless of where they are located. And, with many customers yet to receive their monthly internet bills, the full extent of the problem may not yet be apparent.
Maureen Hilyard, an internet user in the Cook Islands, an autonomous region associated with New Zealand, claims she faces a bill as much as $NZ600 ($A532) for the month of August, thanks to Windows 10 automatic updates.

EFA executive officer Jon Lawrence said EFA was "very concerned" about reports from internet users in remote locations whose bandwidth had been "completely swamped" by forced updates.

"In this context, where internet access is both painfully slow and seriously expensive, these forced updates are almost literally forcing people off the internet and are resulting in massive excess data charges," Mr Lawrence said.

LSemmens - 18-8-2015 at 01:39

To add insult to injury, Microsoft has confirmed it is hijacking users' internet connections to upload software updates to other users, through "peer-to-peer" technology
This concerns me! What if that "peer" has a particularly nasty infection??????shocked_yellow

"As with Windows 8.1, Windows 10 won't automatically download updates or apps if it detects the PC uses a metered connection," the spokesman said.
I can confirm this, have seen it on the machines that I have upgraded recently. What it does not elaborate, however, is how it determines what your data cap is?

John Barnes - 18-8-2015 at 08:37

Another little gem for Katzy to muse over

Microsoft recently updated its EULA for Windows 10, noting that the operating system can seek out and potentially disable any pirated software, like games, running on your PC. The new clause in question is found under section 7b of the EULA, which says that Microsoft may check your software at any time and download updates or make configuration changes. "We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices. jmb

We have term over here called "a Sprat to catch a Mackerel". Free windows 10 ?
it could be a chain around your neck shortly

Katzy - 18-8-2015 at 09:02


Katzy - 18-8-2015 at 09:04


If I was a company manager, I'd never move to W10, coz I just know that all of my company's data, including the secret stuff, would be open to all and sundry.

Mind you, some are already dumb enough to believe that "The cloud" is secure. So...

LSemmens - 18-8-2015 at 09:56

Of course the cloud is secure. Have you not seen those air travellers wandering around on those storm clouds? Cynic? Moi? confused2

Katzy - 18-8-2015 at 14:46


Katzy - 25-8-2015 at 09:34

By the way, M$ are trying to get W7/8 to spy on you, too.



I check every update, now...

If, by any chance, you want this:


and the download's been blocked (They're a Microsoft "partner", so...), it's here, too. ;)


You'll need WinRAR, or something, to dearchive it.

LSemmens - 30-8-2015 at 00:56

I've just done the W10 upgrade on my Office computer which was a marathon. 90% of it was windoze 7 related. I started out by a clean install of 7, time it did all the updates and patches, I was ready. (only took 4 days!) I then signed up for automatic update - more W7 patches and updates later I got impatient and went looking for the W10 online update. (1 day later I finally had a working W10 machine!) Spent last night "customising" W10 to ensure it did not do an ET on me every time I farted and here I am. Despite the time taken, it was relatively painless and only required patience.

If you wish to turn off some of the phone home capabilities you can actually do it as you are installing, Just look for the "Customise" Link, usually placed on the opposite side of the screen to the "NEXT", or whatever passes for next in setup, and also in something resembling 1 point text. I now only have two more machines to "upgrade". My media server and SWMBO. SWMBO may keep XP as she is happy with that.

Katzy - 30-8-2015 at 09:17

You can turn a bit off, yes. But, there's an awful lot that you can't. If you're an Android user, though, you'll be used to having all of your data splurged all over the net, I s'pose.

Katzy - 12-9-2015 at 09:27

If you find that some of your games don't work, suddenly...