Sadly lacking, if social media is anything to go by....
And yet -
When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,
Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute. Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy.
The native people showed us unusual kindness, for they kindled a fire and welcomed us all, because it had begun to rain and was cold.
The Good Book
These are appropriate passages for Christians to remember and live.
ISIS: ‘We will use refugee crisis to infiltrate West’( chew on that) jmb
So it begins
Isis have infiltrated over 4000 insurgents into Europe the German Police have had pitched battles when the Islamic state flag was raised and Germany is starting to close its borders
I forecast this weeks ago but the Pc brigade extolled Christian Charity now its coming back to bite them on the behind, and mark my word it will come to our shores, Thank god the Army is still white and Christian, but ever the case Lions led by Donkeys
Is there only You bear and myself that believe that charity begins at home? have we been overwhelmed by the politically correct brigade ?when will Europe not see that they along with ourselves we have been successfully invaded with our eyes shut and willingly, the Asiatics have done something that the might of German arms could not do twice in the last Century all at the behest of our masters greed for cheap labour,
The "good book" also says
Be wise as serpents and innocent as Doves.
There is nothing to say that we can be walked all over. Of course, we should allow true refugees in. Of course, we also should ensure that those are true refugees.
I wonder how many of those complaining about looking after refugees are also those who complain about "benefit scroungers, single parents, greedy
And btw bear, isn't your son an example of someone who moved to a different country in search of a better life?
Of course, moving somewhere in search of a better life is fair reason to move. Provided, of course, that
a) there is a better life to be had
b) the better life does not create burden on the new "somewhere"
c) by moving it does not stretch already limited resources for the current inhabitants.
Even in OZ if you are unemployed and on benefits you're not permitted to move to an area that has high unemployment. i.e. you can move there, but you may no longer be eligible for benefits. FWIW YS did just that, and had to jump through all sorts of hoops before they agreed to continue his benefit. Of course, within a few weeks he found work in the area and is very happy with his work, and they, him.
I might also add, that moving to new country is also valid, provided that the intended country has work for you to do and there are no suitable "locals" to fill the position. If we all had open borders you'd find very rapidly that you'd have to move somewhere else for a "better" life as there would always be someone willing to do your job for less than you were willing to be paid.
What amazes me - well one of the things that amazes me - is how we boast about how good we were at supporting refugees during the last world war and then as soon as history repeats itself, its a case of "build up the barricades!" Or is it pull the ladder up?
I think a lot of it is down to the fact that there's not enough housing, money, or anything for our own. So, how are we going to take thousands of
new people in? There aren't enough jobs, now. What will they do? More on benefits? Who pays for that?
I think people, here, are scared, more than anything.
'course, there's another worry...
Ah, discussions - don't you love them!
The point remains that he has a better life because he moved overseas just like I did when I did the same. We both "took jobs" that local people could have done. We were allowed to work overseas so never took benefits. We are both fortunate enough to not be "in receipt of benefits" here or there.
The fact we were both better qualified than the locals is neither here nor there because some of the immigrants in this country would be doing white collar jobs if we let them but they are reduced to blue collar jobs or taking benefits because we often don't allow them to work in the same fields they are qualified for.
Asylum seekers are not allowed to work, nor are refugees. They get a voucher for £19 per week to spend on all they need for food, clothing etc. If you imagine they are crossing oceans and endangering themselves for this princely sum, you are wrong.
It's a slippery slope however if we fall for the narrative that the only people allowed an opinion are those who "pay in" to the system.
To be fair, It does seem that there are a number of people who have jumped on the band wagon as it were and are taking advantage of the chaos to
"sneak in". Mind you, you'd still have to be pretty desperate to do what most of them are doing. Its obviously not a casual whim.
Having said that, its unfortunate that the TV people seem to have found and interviewed a lot of the less charismatic ones and there have been times even I have swayed in my opinion.
But. At the end of the day, there are thousands of really desperate people who truly are frightened for their lives and the lives of their children every bit as much as those fleeing the Nazis during the second world war. I am disappointed by the blanket attitude of people who I thought were capable of a lot more compassion.
I feel for them, though, a bit. It must feel like they're being invaded.
It's always going to be a difficult situation. If we "just let them all in" we will run the risk of importing the problems that caused them to
flee. (Very broad terms here). If we lock them all out, we are then going to be as guilty as those who "evicted" them from their homes. I do find it
difficult to understand the problems that they perceive with being held in detention whilst their applications for asylum are assessed. I'm not sure
if I've mentioned it here but, eldest son's partner works in one of the detention centres and often there is unrest because of the rumour that some
are going to be moved, or deported. That begs the question though, are they genuinely terrified of going "home" or are they just plain angry at
being caught out? Some seem to be troublemakers from day one but, even then it is difficult to "cull" them as they tend to stir the others up with
the aforementioned rumours. And then, even though, we know our places of detention are "safe", if they've never experienced this before and have a,
rightful, distrust of authority, based on their "recent" experience, how do we deal with that?
There is no easy solution, nor is there ever going to be. Unfortunately we live in far more mobile world than that of the Wars (WW1 & 2) with far better communication. That makes it easier for the radicals (IS in this case) to mobilise and cause mass problem and for people (many more because of the radical problem) to "run away". Time was when all people could do was walk and, possibly, hop on a train or truck. Now, we have far more access to faster, and cheaper, transport and news is broadcast as it happens, not some months later because of delays in the mail.
The way I look at it what would Australia do if over half million people demanded and tried to force entry into the country, or what would Saudi do if half a million Christians tried to enter their country and bring their religion with them. Islam believes no matter how good a person, if they don't conform to Islam and Allah they are condemned souls and infidels
But it should be half a million distributed evenly throughout the EU. I do believe its something we ought to have a fair common policy on .
We have own problems with illegal immigrants, John, our saving grace is that we are isolated from the rest of the world and the only method of gaining access to the country is by sea or air. The Wiki on Australia's asylum policies makes for a good read. Considering our population base, we do quite well. Another factor that much of the rest of the world tends to overlook is that a large portion of our continent is incapable of supporting more than one person, let alone the thousands that claim refuge.
My union has just donated £10,000 to help refugees overseas.
The point being, John, as a percentage of population we do have a similar problem. As mary has observed 500,000 between 500,000,000 means 1 in a thousand spread over the entire EU. During 2012, more than 17,000 asylum seekers arrived via boat or roughly 1 per 1,500 (Aust Pop - 23,000,000). We are only one country and the EU consists of 28 countries which, on a per country basis, is quite comparable.
Well if over 500.000 boat people descend on the northern shore of Oz in ONE go, I will be very interested in the Australian response
We might cancel the Barbie.........
What's happening, now, IS an invasion, surely?
Point well made, there, Mr. B.
That is very good assessment of the situation that she deals with, and, obviously, would be far more current than my observations. It's interesting that refugees rarely ask councils for help with housing, I wonder how refugees get on. Her observations, whilst very British centric could be transferred anywhere, I suspect.
Report them, if the government didn't let them in then there would be no need to report anybody.
As in New Brighton, the incomers are destroying the fabric of English society.
What we should do is close the door now before the damage is irreversible, I want my grandchildren celebrating the Nativity not the Festival of Light.
Regards the Bear
I don't disagree with your solution in the last post. Unfortunately it will also cost money.
What we should consider doing is turning the clock back a few decades.
Today in the local shopping centre while I was sat outside a pavement cafe I watch a group of Syrian women and children( a group of about 25 ) not
just begging but aggressively asking people over and over for money, following them up and down the pedestrian area from shop to shop. Several older
people were visibly intimidated by this.
The police were sent for by someone, a big argument ensued which got out of hand till extra police were called for and everybody herded into vans and take away to the police station.
England my England! A lovely sunny Monday morning start to the week
Regards the Bear
How did you know they were Syrian? They sound a bit like the Roma in Paris.
1,700 people now being made redundant in Redcar All out of a job and yet we still import Syrians and other migrants, when will the Government understand the hotel is full and grow a set and tell EU and Germany they don't have the authority to throw open our borders we never signed up for Shengen
I don't suppose aggressive beggars would lie?
When I was a member of the labour party, I did a lot of canvassing at election time. When I knocked at one door, a baby started screaming and a very irate mother came to the door and told me I'd just woken up her baby after she had only just got it to sleep. I told her I was canvassing on behalf of the Conservative party.