There is a series on The History Channel entitled "The Bible." In its depiction of Bible events, the makers faced challenges--how to depict details
of scenes where the Bible does not supply visual details. Once such challenge: when the Devil tempts Jesus, what does he look like?
This site shows the way the actor who portrayed the Devil was made to look. Here is the link.
First, do you think the character looks like the other famous person?
I see some resemblances, such as a movie-double-at-a-distance might have, but they certainly do not look exactly alike.
Do you believe that the resemblance is accidental?
I am surprised that no one mentioned it to the makers of the series.
And, I find it funny.
I think blacking up white actors is far from funny.
Obama can't be the devil, he doesn't have red hair and have a name like Juliar.
Are you saying that is his natural skin tone? It is a vile slur on black people to suggest that that colour of skin is somehow evil. I'm surprised scholar that if it is true that you are married to a black woman that she hasn't managed to reconstruct your racist notions.
You suggested that blacking up a white person was the problem, and you are the one suggesting that the colour of the skin was evil, Mary. I know that
was not your intent. All that Scholar said was that Oumaani was not "white", to which, in light of Political Correctness, would be a true statement.
If I am correct, Scholar's mirth is not so much directed at the colour of the skin, but rather, the furore over a perceived likeness.
scholar's reason for mirth is unclear. Perhaps he would like to clarify it.
Why would the evil character be cast as black?
Personally I'm tired of America making non-white ethnicities the bad guys so often.
Well the devil will be dark being burnt by the fires in the everlasting pit made for him and his angels?and the very essence of fair play is encompassed in the old adage"play the white man "haha. jmb
So he was darkened to be the evil character? Why would that not be racist?
Come on you supposed to be intelligent people arguing about the skin tone of a spirit, if he an existing spirit he wont have a skin or even a human
body it would be just an essence of a supernatural life force if he is not just some figment of human thinking,
not a human being of any colour.jmb
No, we're arguing about the skin tone of a television programme character.
Representing something that's a figment of the human mind plagiarized from Babylonian times to frighten the illiterate,IMO, to hold the peasants in fear by the power cliques of the times,jmb
Not really working these days, is it?
You all are beating around the bush, let me cut that sucker down for you, since I'm a rude dog.
Scholar isn't cackling about the fact that "The Devil" is Black but rather that "The Devil" looks like the current President of the United States.
If he looked like Bill Clinton, he'd be slightly less excited, but still doing a Lord of the Dance number.
Al Pacino was a white man when he portrayed the devil as was Jack Nicholson in the Witches of Eastwick. Maybe not the devil but may be the anti-christ
old Barak could be his stand in
Hillary is the Anti-Christ.
The tortoise said so.
Interesting that he won't clarify the reason for his mirth despite being the OP. If it was a political post, it should have been in a different section of the site.
If he says "Obama" or even implies it, it's a political statement.
I say move the thread.
They were talking about this on the BBC Radio 4 "Today Programme" this morning. I was quite pleased that, thanks to Scholar, I knew all about it, But some time ago in the UK, we decided that white actors blacking up was passe and unacceptable these days.
But, sometimes a certain appearance is necessary for the image the director wants the viewers to see. If so, insistence that no darkening or
lightening make-up is used would exclude actors who are not naturally that color.
Good luck, casting people in Babylon 5, if you can't use make-up to change their skin.
Again, obtuse. Don't turn black actors into white ones or white actors into black ones - unless it is integral to the plot like someone playing Michael Jackson would have to go through a range of shades as it would fit in with the plot.
Hit him AGAIN, Mary!
In a free society, without prejudice or racism, any actor can play any part with any kind of makeup.
This is 2013.
The other thing we try to do is get disabled actors to play disabled parts. Mind you, the bloke that plays Jazza in the Archers is actually blind as a bat or even blinder. But in the series he drives tractors and does all sort of sighted things.
An actress in Corrie is not a wheelchair user which became evident in the live episode where she got out of her chair when she wouldn't have normally.
I think that Scholar has made a valid point, and it is you, Mary and RW, who are being obtuse. In a truly free society, it would not matter who was cast in a role, or what colour their makeup was. I also think that the "furore" over who the Devil looks like is a storm in a tea cup. Evil takes many forms, sometimes they are politicians, heck, sometimes they are even pastors.
In colour blind casting they don't change the skin tone here. In the photo I saw of the actor he wasn't black but had been quite strongly darkened for the role to make him look more like scholar's bÍte noire.
Scholar spots a likeness.
The likeness has been caused by makeup, but that's not what scholar was commenting on. The result of the makeup was....a likeness that quite a few people spotted too.
It's as simple as that.
"Whiteface" scary goth devil makeup doesn't look good on black skin unless you are going for a harlequin effect.
So you go darker instead.
How do I know? Well I've been to my fare share of LARPS and Goth clubs. Demonic makeup is pretty much standard!
Or you could do this.....
The "ganguro" teenage look began as a way to rebel against super-pale skin as a beauty ideal, but evolved into something truly...well, I have no words for how hideous it looks but you do have to admire the dedication!
Some tan themselves to a dangerous degree, others just buy bucket loads of foundation from African websites and apply by the trowel load!
One extreme of Ganguro life is to stay outside on the pavements pretty much all the time like a neon hobo getting smelly and greasy. In Japan, that really is rebellion!
Having said all that, I think this picture might be a western girl under all that makeup.
People can dress themselves and make themselves up any way they choose in real life. I rather like those with a bit of rebellion in them.
The point about modern day casting is that if a black person is required for a specific role it should be a black actor who gets the part and not some black and white minstrel version who offends the group being portrayed.
As to Obama - I just wish the carping would stop.
You think this man is black?
Well let's look at the evidence, he's not European, he's not Asian, he may be from the USA but he's got an African appearance.
In England that mean's it's ok to say someone is "black", even if they are paler skinned.
In my lingo...African face=Black.
I've managed to avoid being punched so far.
I've never bought into the whole "one drop of blood" argument.
The actor, has light skin; long, graying hair; and facial hair in the photo I posted. Black he ain't.
If they wanted a black actor for Satan they should have hired a black actor - end of.
Are you equating African with black? That is incorrect.
Most Moroccans are of Arabic-Berber heritage and, in fact, there is a lot of racism in Morocco against black people.
My daughter happened to be here last night for the annual Eurovision get-together so i showed her the photo earlier and, like me, she saw the Arabic
bit in the ethnicity. My daughter is Arabic. Neither she nor my ex husband would describe themselves as black.
Just because the people who blacked up for the Black and White minstrel show didn't have a problem with it, didn't make it right BG. Black people were offended. I return to one of my original questions, if they wanted a black actor they should just have hired one.
The fact was they wanted someone who resembled Obama to make a point. Why the History channel is even doing something about the Bible of a dramatic nature is puzzling to me. I thought they based their programmes on fact but clearly they are more like the Fox network than I had previously thought.
I know they denied it. Every drama is an artificial construct and nothing happens by chance. It is too expensive to do any filming on the hoof. The storyboards would be interesting.
My daughter was conceived in the US with a British mother and an Iraqi father but born in Scotland. So she's British but ticking the correct box on census forms etc is difficult. She's not "White Scottish" but what is she? I've always left it up to her which religion or ethnicity she feels she should belong to. As far as I'm concerned I'm me and she's she and it just doesn't matter but to others it does. When we went to Italy people thought she was Italian but when we went to France people thought I was German. People err which is fine as long as it is not done to cause deliberate offence.
Where are you from? Is a difficult one to answer. With today's mobile society. As Mary has indicated, it ain't so easy. I was born in Adelaide and, now, have spent more (just) than half my life in South Australia, but my "home" is the Northern Territory. Three of my four children were born there even though only one is still there.
The Devil's not in the