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LSemmens

[*] posted on 20-1-2018 at 04:57
Why is it that whenever I see the acronym POTUS I think of another, less flattering one that does not include the letters T & U?
marymary100

[*] posted on 19-1-2018 at 17:03
In my opinion the worst kind of fake news is where a story is reported that is known to be false before it is distributed but is reported anyway just to make political points. One of the least reliable purveyors of fact is POTUS, especially when tweeting overnight.
scholar

[*] posted on 19-1-2018 at 15:44
I think this has the actual Fake News Awards list

The Washington Post has a responding piece that it lists as a fact-checker

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/01/17/fact-checking-president-trumps-fake-news-awards/?utm_term=.f9001e 4ac8fd

The writer poses the question, is it really fake news if the error is corrected, or if the false report is in a tweet?

I think that anyone who downplays the problem of false reports when they are later corrected, or when they appear in tweets, misses a large point: responsible journalists ought not poison the pool of information fed to the public by telling the public things that are not true. Many people form an opinion or adopt an attitude when they hear the first, wrong, version.


While it is better when CNN corrects false reports than it would be if it stood by the false story, neither is acceptable. Get it right, then report it accurately.

The problem is compounded by the fact that, when one news outlet makes a report in error, other news outlets may quote the first one and spread it on the authority of the first one who got it wrong (even if they distance themselves from endorsing it as true by simply reporting who said it).
John_Little

[*] posted on 19-1-2018 at 08:44
That has always been the way, Leigh. But I do believe its got worse since it became open season.
LSemmens

[*] posted on 18-1-2018 at 23:23
The media have largely become tabloids in the loosest sense of the word.

Sadly, most of the uneducated masses tend to soak it up, believing every word they print. We are currently having a "debate" about whether Australia Day should be moved in the interests of "unity". Seriously????? All this "conversation" is doing is divide the community, all courtesy of the media who seem to be "reporting" this agenda.

Trump is his own worst enemy given all that we have seen of him, however, I wonder......
John_Little

[*] posted on 18-1-2018 at 17:51
:nod:

I was sure that was a kosher smilie and:-

kewl_glasses

Isn't exactly right.

Maybe:-

cheers:
Katzy

[*] posted on 18-1-2018 at 14:30
I'm certain that a lot of this has been "helped" by the constant dumbing down of everything. It seems that most young people are fine, as long as they can watch films, which are hardly a true reflection of Real Life, as it were. A lot of them seem a bit like zombies, unfortunately.

Every bit of news I take any interest in, I always take with a large pinch of salt, as I've come to understand that the person reporting that news always seems to have an agenda of their own. If there's compelling evidence, which supports the reporting, then all well and good. These polls they keep having... Not been terribly accurate, have they? If course, the pollsters very rarely, if ever, poll people at random. They pick the people who they believe will go along with their own beliefs and use their results to bolter those beliefs and "prove" them to be "true".

How anyone can believe anything, at all, that gets reported in rags such as the Fail and The Scum, I just don't get. Surely, even the most uneducated must realise that they're trying to control their readers, to a large extent. At the last election, most media companies wanted the Tories in, with a HUGE majority, because they know that the Tories will do exactly what the media want them to do. The fact that Labour did as well as they did, in spite of the constant media crucifying of Corbyn, might just show that people are, finally, waking up to the fact that they're being misdirected and lied to?

For me, the most important attribute that a person can have, is honesty. Nowadays, it seems that almost everybody, in public life, is a lying bugger. So, to quote a certain Mr. Mulder, I tend to trust nobody that I see on the telly, now.

However, without wishing to seem self-aggrandising, or anything, it does seem that the less well-educated amongst us tend to believe the cr@p that people like BoJo, Garage (OOPS! Typo! I'll leave it, though, as it's slightly tittersome. I meant Farage, obviously) and, yes, Trump spout, is on the level. It's been demonstrated that those that voted "Leave", for example, tended to be more ignorant (Uneducated) than those who voted to stay in. Little realising, I suspect, just how much the EU actually protects us from our own government! (Notice that they're going to opt out of the Human Rights thing, now, too?)

The thing is, the so-called Liberal elite haven't really helped themselves, as they really have done little else but feather their own nests, whilst insisting that the rest of us have to stick with this "Austerity" rubbish. That created a chasm which the afore-mentioned self-opinionated have used for their own ends. It seems that everyone with any power, now, is just trying to increase that power, along with their own bank balance. If Jeremy ever lets me down, I'll be truly crestfallen...

If Christ really did do the things he's supposed to have done, for the reasons he's supposed to have done them, he must be crying his eyes out.

Come to that, so must Allah, Mohammed and the rest.
marymary100

[*] posted on 18-1-2018 at 10:41
I "reddit" because it is a forum with an international voice. It is quite shocking how polarised society seems to be now. Perhaps it was always thus but the vitriol and confirmation bias is there for all to see. I teach media and find it fascinating but I am convinced younger folk are better at spotting the deception than older folk, which might explain Trump and Brexit.
John_Little

[*] posted on 18-1-2018 at 10:32
Depending on what network you watch or what papers you read, you may or may not know about this new mega event launched by Donald Trump.

I think the top award went to an economist who predicted a Wall St crash if Trump was elected when, in the event, it actually went the other way. But as the Radio 4 reporter said this morning, this shouldn't really qualify as news since it was a prediction based on the personal opinion albeit of an "expert".

What the reporter also said, was that since the Trump election and his war on news reporters, reporters and even networks have responded in kind. In the Radio 4's reporters opinion this was not just tit for tat. It was a way of increasing subscriptions and selling advertising.

However, the increase in interest is not from old or existing trump supporters, its from liberals who just want their own "prejudices" justified by the comments and selective news. So the "Fake News" concept seems to have become a self fulfilling prophecy.

One other point on the BBC was about Freedom of the press. The scoop of the Watergate scandal has given every reporter something to aim for. Which is good and bad. The freedoms that Trump professes to endorse depend largely on the Freedom of the Press. As was pointed out, Stalin shared a similar view to Trump and Trump's contempt for this suggests a contempt for freedom generally.