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[*] posted on 16-1-2008 at 14:04
I would go so far as to say, Janet, "I would not call a group of people intolerant, based on a news report, especially based on a news report!"

[*] posted on 15-1-2008 at 23:49
My point was that I would not call a group of people intolerant, based on a news report - particularly if I didn't know the background to the report.

The most I would say is that it seems to be intolerant behaviour.

I assume I have a duty in charity to other people not to publicly judge them on a basis as flimsy as a news report. YMMV.

[*] posted on 15-1-2008 at 23:42
If a group of people say, of person A, "Don't come! We don't need your kind! We don't want you! Cancel your plans to come here. We aren't willing to hear what you have to say!" that sounds like intolerance of person A.

If that ISN'T intolerance, what would intolerance look like?confused2

[*] posted on 15-1-2008 at 23:27
A news articles is hardly enough to form an opinion on a matter as complex as this - or indeed, many other issues.

Certainly not enough to call people intolerant, etc., at least from where I'm sitting.

[*] posted on 15-1-2008 at 23:25
If an error was made with respect to agreements regarding the relationship between state institutions and clergy, that would be different from the way the article framed it. The article made it sound as if the academics were hostile to Pope Benedict because of Galileo's experience.:)

[*] posted on 15-1-2008 at 22:47
The divisions between church and state run deep - very deep. For example, although I can teach in most universities in the world,who would accept my secondary qualification (ignoring the doctorate for a moment), I could not teach in an Italian secular university - it would not recognise the degree, as it was granted by a papal institution.

I could go on, but that should give a bit of background... The Concordant is set in the minds and hearts of people, very strongly.

As for why he might have been invited - the university was originally a Church foundation, and after all, he *is* the local bishop.

It's sometimes better to understand the context before calling people intolerant and close minded...

[*] posted on 15-1-2008 at 22:38
No, I'm not very familiar with modern Italy. :)

[*] posted on 15-1-2008 at 21:02
Scholar do you know much about Italy?

The concordant, the very, very, very uneasy relationship between church and state?

It's not nearly as simple as you make out...

And the news report quotes the rector, Renato Guarini - who is a well known mathematician (apparently), specialising in statistics. Wiki on him - in Italian

I'd say he's a scientist...

[*] posted on 15-1-2008 at 21:01
Or maybe it's political, matching the intolerance of the church.

[*] posted on 15-1-2008 at 20:15
The article speaks of those on the faculty who raised objections as academics, and as lecturers. That would mean they teach science, but may not themselves be scientists (depending on how you define the term, of course).

I have been pleased to have known a number of scientists who have found the doctrines of the Christian faith agree well with what they investigate in their researches, and I've read from many others whom I do not know personally. Quite a few are of the opinion that a Designer, a First Cause, is the best explanation for all that is, and many believe other explanations are insufficient.

I wonder how plans for the Pope's visit originated. Who invited him? Did he offer to visit, unaware of how intolerant many of the academics were?

How close-minded do those members of the faculty have to be, that they did not even care to listen to the visible head of the largest Christian communion?

Talk about holding a grudge. . .

[*] posted on 15-1-2008 at 19:13
Yup :}

[*] posted on 15-1-2008 at 19:09
I hesitate to say "Damned if he does..............." but you get the gist.

[*] posted on 15-1-2008 at 19:05
It looks more like he is respecting the wishes presented by the scientists themselves?

"They said it would be inappropriate for the Pope to open their academic year on Thursday."

[*] posted on 15-1-2008 at 18:58

I wouldn't have thought that the Pope had anything to fear from scientists.