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Topic Review

[*] posted on 21-12-2007 at 20:00
I'll stick to my evaluation of the first book. Detached and uninvolving. Sad really, coz I'm sure the story is good.

[*] posted on 21-12-2007 at 11:47
We always give you a fresh start, Scholar! nananana

[*] posted on 21-12-2007 at 01:40
Originally posted by LSemmens
Why did you start two threads about the same topic?
Since I had new material to bring in (the review from which I quoted), I wanted a fresh start.smokin:

[*] posted on 20-12-2007 at 23:49
Originally posted by John_Little
By the way, in the last book, the heros actually kill God.

Guess I'll have to read the last two then.

Shame they won't be pre-publication signed copies, like the first one.


[*] posted on 20-12-2007 at 18:28
Shock Horror!

Have none of you read the books!!!???

This has to be the best trilogy the World has ever seen. It is wonderful and lovely and sad and happy and every emotion you could ever wish for.

And, as for the religeous lobby, well, as Christine (or her mate) said:-

Well, they would say that wouldn't they.

By the way, in the last book, the heros actually kill God.

Excellent stuff.

John L

[*] posted on 20-12-2007 at 18:21
Originally posted by LSemmens
Why did you start two threads about the same topic?

Maybe he's hoping Dot put away her Kill1 for the Holidays.


[*] posted on 19-12-2007 at 15:35
Why did you start two threads about the same topic?

[*] posted on 19-12-2007 at 12:45
What does that have to do with banning anything?

Unless everyone here sees everyone here watches more than 200 movies a year, you all select some to watch and not others, based on trailers, people involved in the project, genre, and what you've heard or read about the movie.

[*] posted on 19-12-2007 at 11:03
Mainly because you're asking us to make comments on something most of us have not seen - and we're saying we won't do that.

[*] posted on 19-12-2007 at 02:26
Why is anyone discussing banning anything? I don't know of anyone who has suggested banning the movie. The review which started this topic suggests to Christian parents that they see it with their children and discuss it, if they wish, instead of merely sending their children to see it alone, without discussion.

[*] posted on 19-12-2007 at 00:23
Ban a record and its sales skyrocket :)

I simply do not understand the idea that we are supposed to be adult, sensible people in our faith - thinking and working things out for ourselves - yet we are supposed to take the word of others for what we should and should not see and read?

I don't think so, not from where I'm sitting.

(In all the years I've been teaching - which are measured in decades - I have only once suggested to students that they avoid a particular book, and I explained exactly why I was making that recommendation - and also said I would be available if they chose to read it and wanted to discuss it).

[*] posted on 19-12-2007 at 00:18
Let's ban "Huck Finn" and "Tom Sawyer" because of the use of the "N" word.

Heck, "Fahrenheit 451," a novel about book burning, has been banned in many locales.

Heck, the Bible is banned in some parts of the world.

I'm with Janet. It's better to discuss than ban.

If you want people to read something, the surest way to do it is to ban it.


[*] posted on 18-12-2007 at 13:39
Well said, Janet! The comments here, though seem very similar to the comments here.

[*] posted on 18-12-2007 at 09:36
I'm with the others - I make up my own mind.

In terms of my children, if there was something controversial, I'd do the same - perhaps see it first, or certainly see it with them.

I found discussion better than banning - I'd rather discuss an issue with them, or a book or a film, than say, "No! You must not!"

How could I tell them that thinking critically about things was important, and then not give them the chance to do it?
Swish Checkley

[*] posted on 18-12-2007 at 08:58
I've said it before but I'll say it again. It's fiction. And though I haven't yet seen the film, the books were very good indeed.
John Barnes

[*] posted on 18-12-2007 at 07:44
I am in the same camp as Mary, I tend make up my own mind on things and not let paid scribes or religious zealots sway me, any way its only a film and most of it will go over peoples head as make believe, there will be very few who think on parallel universes and those that do are usually scientists or technical minded people that like to use empirical judgment. treat it as it actually is a film of make believe, I have the DVD and that is my interpretation.jmb

[*] posted on 18-12-2007 at 07:14
I'll still make up my own mind by seeing the film myself. No film reviewer, evangelical or not, will make up my mind for me.

[*] posted on 17-12-2007 at 23:34
An Evangelical movie reviewer says

selected quotes:
Witches are our friends. . .little girls can lie to anyone as long as it is for the "right" cause. . ."daemons" are our friends (and souls) and take the form of animals. These are some of the lessons we learn in The Golden Compass.

The Magisterium basically rules the planet with the idea of "controlling" the general public and protecting it from unhealthy thinking and practices.

The Golden Compass has an uncomfortable quality to it. It's that anti-hero, "the good guy can be bad" type of feel, with no character who's a real source of light. A general heaviness and darkness pervades and follows the film, much with the help of Nicole Kidman's beautiful evilness.

In the past, there have been many movies that take cheap shots at Christianity, and they have come and gone very quickly, disappearing into obscurity. But The Golden Compass is different somehow. It may do very well at the box office, and as a "Christmas movie" could bring in the children (and mommy's and daddy's money) by the millions. The fact that it's a trilogy will have kids racing to the bookstore to buy the books to stay ahead of the releases ... just like the Harry Potter series.

In a recent interview Director Chris Weitz said: "Whereas The Golden Compass has to be introduced to the public carefully, the religious themes in the second and third books can't be minimized without destroying the spirit of these books. There is simply no way to adapt them without dealing with Lyra's destined role, her secret name, and the war in the heavens."

Even worse, writer Pullman proudly told The Washington Post in 2001 of the trilogy, "I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief."

So, is this movie a threat? Will it lead children away from a personal knowledge of God? Or, will it become a key opportunity to talk to children about the real adventure of knowing a living God who wants to know them in a personal way?

Though The Golden Compass may be a "gateway" movie for atheism, and gave this reviewer the "willies," we have a God who is not afraid. He is a King who knows no equal and is not the least intimidated by confused, lost people wanting to lash out at him. Maybe we should act like him and find ways to use this film to teach children about how to discern movies, analyzing them for themes and values. After all, it is just a movie, and we are children of the King.

What do you think? (Including the way the reviewer reasons. He covers elements of the movie in greater detail, as one can read in the linked page.):)