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[*] posted on 6-12-2016 at 21:55
Leigh, I would have been more encouraged if I had seen any desktop computers besides the Apple machine. One of the site addresses gives me a corrupted content error. Another says no items were found for "desktop computer." The bidding on the Apple machine is over $200.

But, you have certainly made the point that, if I put in enough effort and made bids on enough machines all over the state over a period of time, I could find something, at some price.

Now that I think of it, I could check some pawn shops in my city.

It doesn't seem that long ago that I could get a pretty good computer for $200, refurbished after a company or business let theirs go to get newer ones.

[*] posted on 6-12-2016 at 03:49
Broken record time

From a quick scan of the list here. here, and I'm not going to waste any more time, looking You get the idea.

[*] posted on 6-12-2016 at 02:20
Here is a price list from a local retail shop that sells computers. It gives you an idea of how much the used machines cost:

Product Mfg / Model / Serial# Specs (Proc,Mem,HD,OpDrv) Op Sys Price

PC E11208 HP DC5700 2UA7080PM0 3.2GHz, 1G, 80G, DVDRW XP $55.00

PC F10110 HP DC5700 MXM712002H 3.2GHz, 1G, 80G, DVD XP Pro $55.00

PC F10112 HP DC5700 2UA7080NNY 3.2GHz, 1G, 80G, DVD XP Pro $55.00

PC F10202 HP DC5700 MXM7490BVK 2.0C2D, 2G, 80G, DVD Vista $110.00

PC F10208 HP DC5800 MXM82704BX 3.0C2D, 2G, 80G, DVD Vista $125.00

PC F10209 HP DC5800 MXM8340BG1 3.0C2D, 2G, 80G, DVD Vista $125.00

PC F10215 HP DC5800 MXM8340P5X 3.0C2D, 2G, 80G, DVD Vista $125.00

PC F10221 Dell GX360 JL6L4J1 2.5Duo, 1G, 80G, DVDRW Vista $90.00

PC F10402 Dell Dim 4700 7278Z71 2.8GHz, 1G, 80G, DVDRW XP Pro $65.00

PC F10403 Dell Dim 4700 7888Z71 2.8GHz, 1G, 80G, DVDRW XP Pro $65.00

PC F10405 Dell GX620 JM9DP81 3.4GHz, 1G, 250G, DVD/CDRW XP Pro $85.00

PC F10702 Dell Dim 4700 90MK661 2.8GHz, 1G, 80G, DVD/CDRW XP Pro $50.00

PC F10704 Dell Optiplex 960 6TYRPL1 3.0C2D, 4G, 160G, DVDRW Win 7 $180.00

PC F10705 Dell Optiplex 960 SOY3TK1 3.0C2D, 4G, 160G, DVDRW Win 10 $180.00

LT F30801 HP G60-519wm 2CC935FPPY 2.2GHz, 3G, 250G, DVDRW Win 7 $160.00

PC F10803 HP DC5100 MXL6NQ6QB1 3.0GHz, 1G, 40G, CD XP Pro $50.00

PC F10804 Custom Build 2.2C2D, 2G, 160G, DVDRW Vista $100.00

PC F10805 Dell Dimension 2400 GMN6341 1.7GHz, 1G, 40G, CDRW XP Pro $40.00

PC F10806 HP DC5700 MXM70600F8 3.2GHz, 1G, 80G,
DVD XP Pro $50.00

PC F10807 HP DC5700 MXM72701FH 3.2GHz, 1G, 80G, DVD XP Pro $50.00

PC F10808 HP DC5700 MXM70802TD 3.2GHz, 1G, 80G, DVD XP Pro $50.00

PC F10809 HP DC5700 MXM72701FW 3.2GHz, 1G, 80G, DVD XP Pro $50.00

PC F10810 HP DC5000 2UA44702WF 3.0GHz, 1G, 40G, DVD/CDRW XP Pro $50.00

PC F10811 Dell Dimension 4700 45NQ971 2.8GHz, 1.5G, 48G, DVD/CDRW, DVD XP Pro $60.00

PC F10812 eMachines W3644 40001172 2.1GHz, 2G, 160G, DVDRW XP Home $70.00

As you can see, almost everything is a step down from what I already have. A computer with 4 Gb memory will cost me $180 there. And, if the computer fails, I only get store credit. (Each machine comes with a monitor included. It is store policy NOT to sell a ready-to-go system without a monitor.)

So, to those who think I might just grab a used machine for next to nothing--no, it's not that way around here, unless you buy wholesale, or a friend gifts you his previous machine.

The machine I'm using was cobbled together by Ruby's friend's husband, and given to her. But, she has never fully taken to it.

[*] posted on 6-12-2016 at 01:02
I have never heard of Freecycle, except for on KF.

[*] posted on 3-12-2016 at 10:39
Do you have Freecycle/Freegle, over there? On ours, you can pick up entire old computers for free.

[*] posted on 3-12-2016 at 02:35
Oh, by the way--I was going by the price listed at Crucial. I'll be interested in seeing if I can buy at a comparable price, locally, and carry it right home.

:( But, I don't know if Best Buy carries older memory sets. They might be oriented toward upgrades for computers that are just a few years old.

There is a local place that sells used memory sets, but they were pretty expensive for what you got.

My former go-to local places have shut down in the last several years. I don't think they could compete with online suppliers.

[*] posted on 3-12-2016 at 02:28
Leigh, I have been looking for a used or refurbished desktop machine, and they are not so inexpensive here. I can get one with twice my present memory from $105 to $291, refurbished. These are Dell and HP machines.

Or, I can double my present memory by getting a chip kit for $30.

Since the overheating was caused by dust blockage that I have dispersed, I'm inclined to go for the cheaper alternative.

Also, I've carelessly left one or both sides off the tower. I'm thinking I need to put them back on so that the air flow pulls the dust-laden air through a screen before coming in. And, the exhaust fan in one side of the case stopped running. It should be easy to replace.

[*] posted on 2-12-2016 at 05:28
Because the machine is starting to become unreliable, given your overheating problems, and for a few dollars more you could pick up a much newer, and more reliable machine probably with double the amount of RAM you have in the machine now! If you were in OZ I could have GIVEN you a newer machine.

[*] posted on 2-12-2016 at 02:54

This is the address in my browser after I ran the crucial scan program. Can you see the same as what it is showing me?

I could double my memory for $30 or less.

But. . . why is Leigh telling me it would be a waste of money to do so?

[*] posted on 2-12-2016 at 01:00
Originally posted by Katzy

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Yes! Yes! That's the one!cheerieleadercheerieleadercheerieleader

[*] posted on 1-12-2016 at 10:06

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[*] posted on 1-12-2016 at 03:06
I think I remember, from years ago, a site that matched motherboard to memory set options. You put your motherboard in, and it had a look-up that listed memory sets that worked, including brand names that make the sets.

The site sold memory sets, IIRC, so the look-up program was a tool to let the person in need know what they might wish to buy. Then, I think, you had the opportunity to order from the site.

[*] posted on 30-11-2016 at 23:00
When I go to SPD on my Everest, it does not list anything at all. No vallues, just blank space.

[*] posted on 30-11-2016 at 18:58
Odd. Look under "SPD".

It'll tell you how many sticks you have and things like each one's:

Module Size 2 GB (1 rank, 8 banks, perhaps)
Module Type (Unbuffered DIMM, perhaps)
Memory Type (DDR3 SDRAM, perhaps)
Memory Speed (DDR3- blah-blah)
Module Width 64 bit (&c.)
Module Voltage 1.5 V

Mind you, I have the "Extreme" version of Everest/Aida...

[*] posted on 30-11-2016 at 06:08
Look up the model number of your motherboard at the MOBO manufacturers website and that will tell you exactly what, and how much RAM your system is capable of handling. If this is the machine that you were asking about heat problems on earlier. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME OR MONEY!!! Buy a newer machine!!!

[*] posted on 30-11-2016 at 00:23
I'm running the Everest program. It tells me some values, such as total memory, but it doesn't seem to tell me the memory set I have--which of the types that Jack lists, or whether it is in one memory set or both slots together (I know it is in one, because the other slot is vacant), or what speed it runs. I think I remember memory sets in some early computers had to have paired values (you needed two 128s or two 256s, one of each would not work together. That is no longer the case, right?

Do the maximum speeds still have to match for best performance?

[*] posted on 30-11-2016 at 00:11
Originally posted by JackInCT
I find your post to be VERY unclear as to just what it is that you're asking about, BUT at the level of a guess, maybe this will help??????

I want to know exactly what kind of RAM set I have in the slot presently, so that I can buy something compatible. I remembered that there is a program to do exactly that. I think it identifies what kind of RAM, how much, and the speed it is meant to run.

The last time I was buying a memory set, I remember that (in that computer, at least), it was possible to have sets that did not match in speed, but the set with the ability to run faster would slow down to match the speed of the slower set, so that both could work together.

I think Katzy's program will do exactly what I had in mind, but it isn't the same program that I remembered. The name is not familiar. I think the one I had, had a minimalist name, like CPU-Z. It might have been mem-ID, or RAM-ID, something of that nature.

But, thanks for the catch-up education. I haven't been following developments in between my need, unless I read it on KF in someone else's post.

[*] posted on 30-11-2016 at 00:04
I tried to download the file from the second link, directly, and got an error message when I tried to unpack the zip.

Now I'm using the download out of their site. . . .

hmmmm. I have the zip file, and the WinRar program lists everything that is in it, to be unpacked.

Do I tell the WinRAR program to unpack everything? Or, do I run one of the programs?

[*] posted on 29-11-2016 at 10:15
You want to know what RAM you have?


That'll tell you that and oodles of other stuff, too.

It's an old program, but extremely useful.

This is a direct link to the file, to save you messing around with theirs.


[*] posted on 29-11-2016 at 04:20
I find your post to be VERY unclear as to just what it is that you're asking about, BUT at the level of a guess, maybe this will help??????

Make sure your memory is compatible with your motherboard.

When purchasing a memory upgrade for your system, compatibility is the most important factor, i. e., in order for memory to work on your system, it must be compatible with your motherboard.

The type of memory you purchase must match your system's motherboard

Depending on the age and purchase price of your computer, it was designed to use one of the following types of memory technology:

SDR (single data rate) technology primarily appeared in systems manufactured before 2002
DDR (double data rate) technology began to appear in systems manufactured in 2002
DDR2 (second generation double data rate) technology began to appear mid-2004
DDR3 technology began to appear in late 2007
DDR4 technology began to appear in 2014

A program such as CPUID CPU-Z will give you that information under its Memory Tab (and of course there are tons of other free programs around that will do the same thing).

[*] posted on 29-11-2016 at 02:26
I found CPU-Z for my motherboard ID, and I'm sure that I could take the long way around by looking up its specs.

But, I remember something similar to identify memory sets, that you plug in for your RAM.

I think I know someone who'll have that handy in their tool kit, but it might be that someone else will volunteer it first.

I had it on an older computer, which is no longer serving me.