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[*] posted on 30-12-2017 at 03:24
One of the options for chronic pipes that freeze is a long standing product such as, an example, "Wrap-On Pipe Heating Cable". How they work (from one manufacture's website [this types of an item has been around 50+ yrs]). This particular item is suitable for DIYers.
"Prevents frozen water pipes to –50ºF. Simply wrap on, insulate and plug in. Engineered for use on metal and rigid plastic pipes. Uses an exclusive Press-To-Test™ button so you can test the cable before installing. A built-in thermostat turns the cable on at 38ºF. Proven low-wattage design uses up to 70 percent less energy than other cables and protects to –50ºF. An exclusive power sensor light glows when the thermostat is closed."

My electrician has a long spool of this stuff, and wires it up. The DIY stuff you usually leave on all year round.

I presume that it's typically used in a basement, and so not likely to get an OK if you rent. And letting the water trickle would likely be an equally viable alternative. Both methods will of course cost someone some money. The trouble with the trickle method is just how fast a 'drip' do you need to have before the pipes would freeze (and of course that would be relative to the ambient temp); AND how many faucets do you need dripping. Pipes that are in the exterior walls, or run alongside one are most likely to freeze; most people who rent have never bothered to trace the routes that their water takes from the point where it enters their dwelling (from the street) to each outlet; that's especially true in multilevel bldgs., and the living space for an apt is also multilevel.

NOT A JOKE: IF you have cobwebs in your basement, it's also an eye full to pay a visit on a very windy day and see how much waving the various webs are doing. The more they wave, the more air is entering, and the more cold air is getting in during the winter, etc.,; cold air that, especially near the walls, is possibly ambient air temp.

[*] posted on 30-12-2017 at 01:26
And another

[*] posted on 30-12-2017 at 01:25
Very cold.

Ruby wants me to call the congregations and tell them I won't be able to travel this week-end.

But, last week-end, the snow had just been coming down a short time, and the road trucks had not been out much. There will be more snow, fallen, but snow plowing and road treatments may have the interstate highways in better shape than last week. Also, last week I had not left extra-early, to allow for slow-travel conditions. A person can go a long ways at 30 mph if they leave early enough.

Of course, extra time and careful driving can't save me from speedy drivers sliding and crashing into me.:(

[*] posted on 30-12-2017 at 00:42
Originally posted by LSemmens
The problem with a separate valve for each tap is that the pipes are still full of water..

The purpose of a separate valve is to do a repair/replacement (like a faucet) without having to turn off the water for the entire system/house (there SHOULD BE a valve very close to the intake pipe where it enters the residence [underground if you have a basement] from the street, but that should be rarely used-typically if an intake pipe in the basement needs a section to be replaced--YES, pipes do wear out (NOT the joints that are sodered, but the actual pipe itself; my copper pipes did that after about 40 yrs of service, as well as some of the copper drain pipes). Pipes that are full of water, once the valve is turned off, are no longer under pressure (except at the valve of course), I. e., the water is NOT going to spurt out as the faucet is removed. IF the water does spurt, that means that you have a defective valve, I. e., even with the valve turned (tight) all the way; most likely due to corrosion/worn out washer in the valve so that the valve no longer seats correctly (and of course needs to be replaced). A good example of the corrosive effect of DRINKING WATER is that the shut off valve is when it is very difficult, sometimes, impossible, to turn and a pipe wrench/channel lock pliers/whatever might/might NOT do the job but the valve is at the end of its useful life span.

[*] posted on 30-12-2017 at 00:35
I mention no-shut-offs as an example of how cheaply built the places were. Anyone building his own home would put the valves in so that, if a faucet or toilet breaks or leaks, they could shut off the problem without shutting off the water to the whole house.

I have had leaks for which I needed to shut off the water for the whole house because of one offending faucet or pipe. So, no one could shower or do laundry so long as the kitchen faucet was leaking.

[*] posted on 30-12-2017 at 00:25
Originally posted by scholar
I have lived in rentals that don't even have separate cut-off valves for each set of faucets.:(

The problem with a separate valve for each tap is that the pipes are still full of water. You must shut off at the mains. (says I who has never experienced anything colder than a heat wave in London.)

[*] posted on 29-12-2017 at 22:49
I have lived in rentals that don't even have separate cut-off valves for each set of faucets.:(

I've never done a pipes-drain, so I don't know if they have had exactly what Jack has pictured.

(Now that I have a smart phone--which I haven't turned on yet--I might be including pictures with my posts.)

[*] posted on 29-12-2017 at 22:05
Then there are these strategically placed.

[*] posted on 29-12-2017 at 18:41
I recall there is a procedure to drain water from low points in a home's water system, to prevent pipes bursting. It doesn't get all the water out (e.g. from toilet tanks and toilet bowls), but it can save a lot of destruction, if it comes to that.

After the water is shut off and you've flushed the toilet, some salt in the water that's left might save it from freezing solid, depending on how cold it gets.

If Charles were still with us, I'm sure he could tell us what outside temperatures usually brought a demand for frozen-pipe replacements.

[*] posted on 29-12-2017 at 18:32
Originally posted by John_Little

I paid a special visit to my parent's house today to warm it up a. bit with my gas heater and a couple of electric heaters. I left the oil filled radiator on low. fingers crossed I don't have to borrow Scholars heat gun

When I mentioned the heat lamp, I meant a 250-watt bulb that is shaped and has reflective material to direct all the energy straight forward. An American might call it a french fry lamp (used to keep "chips" warm for a bit if the rest of the order is not done). Dreamweaver would call it an incubation lamp, and that is where I found it at Big R's, which is a farm supply store. They use them to keep eggs warm until hatching, I think, and possibly to keep the worst of the chill off little animals.

I have placed such a lamp where Ruby sleeps and watches TV, so she gets the heat when the light hits her, without the cost of heating all the air in between.

[*] posted on 29-12-2017 at 11:16
Bit of a long way round to get a special character. Its quicker to right "degrees". But thank you all the same.

[*] posted on 29-12-2017 at 05:20
It's about midnight, local time, and the temp is 9° F; will get a bit colder before dawn. FYI: the ° symbol is from the little known and probably rarely used character map (at least for home users) that's been a part of all Win OSs since the dawn of MS-DOS [Start Button-Accessories-SystemTools-Character Map]); I think you need to use the Numeric Keypad for the number codes rather than the numbers at the top of the alphanumeric characters. I didn't research just how many there are, but it must be a few hundred; back in the day, long before emoticon symbols were available, you could create your own for documents/emails/whatever (with occasional forays into doing the work that the company we worked for was paying us to do).

[*] posted on 29-12-2017 at 01:18
Did you get 30 metres of hose pipe or did you get 30 feet (close enough to 10 metres). ;)

Yes everything is Japanese (I know the metric system isn't Japanese but it was they who confused us with it back in the 60s) though I still convert it back to English for many things.

[*] posted on 28-12-2017 at 18:38
So a bloke goes into a harDware shop and asks for a 30 foot hose pipe.

"Sorry mate. Don't do yards and feet any more. Its all metric these days. It'll have to be in metres"

"Alright, then. Make it thirty metres"

"What size do you want? Half inch or three quarters?"

Bloody ridiculous all this over here, though. Its turned slightly cold here - just on 0 degrees Celsius or 32 degrees Fahrenheit for Jack. But they've cancelled all the flights at Standstead airport. I bet they don't do that in Alaska.

I paid a special visity to my parent's house today to warm it up a. bit with my gas heater and a couple of electric heaters. I left the oil filled radiator on low. fingers crossed I don't have to borrow Scholars heat gun

[*] posted on 28-12-2017 at 17:49
Originally posted by John_Little
They did it to us and got away with it.

True Story: Several years ago one of the local TV stations had a no registration required comment section to its online news articles. There was a story about an impeding large snowfall by one of the station's meteorologists, and I "took it upon myself" [as a public service of course] to convert the predicted snowfall to metric in my comment along with a sentence stating that I was doing so for all the station's viewers who "originated" south of the USA border and who, of course, came from countries that only had the metric system (and who would be unfamiliar with just how much snow was in the forecast). Well we all realize that many commenters are trolls who get off on negativity, but you wouldn't believe how many negative comments my post received.

[*] posted on 28-12-2017 at 15:52
They did it to us and got away with it.

[*] posted on 28-12-2017 at 14:12
It was 10 degrees Fahrenheit this morning, AND hell no I won't convert that to Celsius for the rest of the world to know what that works out to be in the metric system (so I had to look up how to spell Fahrenheit & Celsius, so what???). The Rest Of The World (and we all know who they are) once tried to get Ye Olde US Of A to convert to the metric system to include of all places at the gas pumps where tirades AKA temper tantrums were an everyday occurrence. If you look up "obstinate" in a printed dictionary, you will see a pix of some/any USA citizen (most likely though Donald).

[*] posted on 28-12-2017 at 12:35
Move a bit further south, no pipes to freeze. ;)

[*] posted on 28-12-2017 at 11:32
Excellent tip! Thank you!

[*] posted on 28-12-2017 at 10:25
Try leaving an electric bulb under a ceramic flower pot near pipes. Virtually nothing to run.

[*] posted on 28-12-2017 at 10:08
I'm worried about my deceased parent's house. My sister stayed there for the funeral and called the gas company because she couldn't turn a gas ring off. They disconnected the gas so no central heating. I go there a couple of times a week to put on an electric heater and our old portable gas heater to try and get the temperature up a bit.

[*] posted on 28-12-2017 at 09:02
One of my friends has just taken her husband over to Illinois to celebrate his significant birthday. It's a shame the weather won't be better.

[*] posted on 28-12-2017 at 02:31
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/photos-record-breaking-snowfall-blankets-erie-pennsylvania-in-53-inches-of-snow/7000 3657

That is for starters, more is available on the 'net.

One of my pipes froze, but I got it thawed with a heat lamp before it froze to the point of bursting.