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[*] Post 510216 posted on 24-11-2017 at 23:47 Reply With Quote
National Church of Sweden moves toward gender-neutral usage



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/24/church-sweden-stop-clergy-calling-god-lord-bid-crack-gendered/

At this point, the suggested changes are not required.

Toward the end of the article, there is a remark from the Church of England:
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“The Church of England has always used masculine language when speaking about God, for example in the words of the Lord’s Prayer – ‘our Father, who art in Heaven’ – and in referring to God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and continues to do so."



In the original languages, and in their context, there is generally clarity whether a reference is intended to indicate one sex, or a person of either sex/neutral. If there is a neutral meaning in the text, then it makes perfect sense to use a more neutral word (e.g. humankind is fine, where older translations might say mankind, meaning the very same thing). If there is a sex-specific idea involved (e.g. when Paul speaks of the adoption of Christians as "sons," which is a position heirship and benefits in the culture), then changing to a gender-neutral word would change the meaning and be a less accurate translation.

Here is a test of humility and faithfulness. If a person keeps the God-given meaning in their translation and usage, that is humble and faithful. If a person changes their translation to reflect what they would have wanted the text to say--changing the Bible to suit themselves, instead of conforming themselves to what the Lord says in the Bible--then they are putting themselves above God's Word.
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[*] Post 510223 posted on 25-11-2017 at 10:37 Reply With Quote


That presumes of course that a) there is a God and b) those who wrote down God's word had no agenda of their own.

As any inquisitive person knows throughout history many deities have been worshipped and, amazingly enough, have largely resembled those who worshipped them for their superior beyond-humanity qualities. Those who believed in Izanagi and Izanami, Ogun and Osun, Min, Neith, Anubis, Atum, Bes, Horus, Isis, Ra, Meretseger, Nut, Osiris, Shu, Sia and Thoth, Aphrodite, Apollo, Ares, Artemis, Athena, Demeter, Hephaestus, Hera, Hermes, Hestia, Poseidon and Zeus et al would all have argued that they were correct and, no doubt, used the arguments that were around at the time to "prove" they were correct.

Monotheists are only the latest version of a long line of folk looking for the meaning of life. If you need to believe that your God is male because it makes you more secure and someone a long time ago wrote it down then by all means do so.
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[*] Post 510228 posted on 25-11-2017 at 12:40 Reply With Quote


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Originally posted by scholar
If a person changes their translation to reflect what they would have wanted the text to say--changing the Bible to suit themselves, instead of conforming themselves to what the Lord says in the Bible--then they are putting themselves above God's Word.


But that is exactly what has happened over the centuries! You only have to consider the Dead Sea Scrolls to realise that.
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