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[*] Post 509489 posted on 28-9-2017 at 18:46 Reply With Quote
I pledge allegiance to the flag...



When I lived in America there was an expectation that I would participate in the morning pledge despite not being American.


The current NFL "taking a knee" debacle, highlights the fact that loyalty to an inanimate symbol of a country is not always the way forward.

The online arguments are being driven by Russian bots and people for some reason but where do you Americans stand on the issue?


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[*] Post 509492 posted on 28-9-2017 at 22:20 Reply With Quote


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Originally posted by marymary100
When I lived in America there was an expectation that I would participate in the morning pledge despite not being American.


The current NFL "taking a knee" debacle, highlights the fact that loyalty to an inanimate symbol of a country is not always the way forward.

The online arguments are being driven by Russian bots and people for some reason but where do you Americans stand on the issue?


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I will never ever say the Pledge of Allegiance or sing the Star Spangled Banner.

Possibly no one on this board, i. e., someone who posts regularly, was around when the words "under god" was inserted via US Congress law into the Pledge. [insert every known obscenity here] good people whose religious faith does not have a "god" exactly like the Christian 'god', but still has an entity that SOMEChristians feel free to insist is 'close enough' to their Christian god have to recite the pledge with the phrase 'under god'. I vaguely recall that this went up to the US Supreme court who ruled that it did not violate church-state separation (like hell it didn't). Ditto re swearing on a bible such as an oath of office, etc.,. Tyranny by the majority is alive and well.

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"For What It's Worth"

There's something happening here
But what it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking' their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

It's time we stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

What a field day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly saying, "hooray for our side"

It's time we stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away

We better stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

We better stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

We better stop
Now, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

We better stop
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

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[*] Post 509495 posted on 29-9-2017 at 02:53 Reply With Quote


I AM a devout Christian, however, I WILL NOT swear on a Stack of Bibles. My bible tells me to not swear by anything. I will, however make an affirmation of oath.
TO me, kneeling before the flag is every bit as respectful as standing to attention. In many ways, more so, because it also indicates subservience.

I have no idea about the American "Oath of Allegiance" but, I could see some issues in a predominantly "non Christian" nation. Much like women in Eastern Countries where they are forced to wear clothing that is against their set of beliefs.
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