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Under-age Chinese girl gymnists
scholar - 15-8-2008 at 04:35

The minimum age for competition in the Olympics is 16 years. Some of the Chinese girl gymnists have been documented to be younger than that, 14 and 15 years old. However, the Chinese government has given them passports that credit them as if they are now 16.

I understand the nature of the evidence that they are younger is from when they were even younger, and younger ages were listed for them in documents. It is as if they aged three or four years when only two years passed on the calendar.

Do you think this is a big issue? Should the Olympic rules be changed to allow younger athletes? Should China be censured in some way for cheating?


Quaver - 15-8-2008 at 04:44

Cheating is not goodwaggyfinger That is, if they indeed were cheating;)


Nimuae - 15-8-2008 at 05:51

If they were definitely cheating, they should be disqualified.


John_Little - 15-8-2008 at 08:04

Sorry, I thought this was the fetish forum.


marymary100 - 15-8-2008 at 08:32

Why is the age 16? Has it aways been 16? Girls are at their most flexible when they are younger, slighter. Olga and Nadia changed the body shape of gymnasts who got the highest marks so it is natural that gymnastic teams want pre-pubescent girls who have the necessary flexibility to compete to be allowed to do so. There have been scandals in the past of countries delaying the onset of periods etc to try and keep their gymnasts looking the way they should.

LIke JL though I thought this thread was going to be about something entirely different.


John_Little - 15-8-2008 at 08:35

;)


janet - 15-8-2008 at 08:40

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Originally posted by marymary100
Why is the age 16? Has it aways been 16? Girls are at their most flexible when they are younger, slighter. Olga and Nadia changed the body shape of gymnasts who got the highest marks so it is natural that gymnastic teams want pre-pubescent girls who have the necessary flexibility to compete to be allowed to do so. There have been scandals in the past of countries delaying the onset of periods etc to try and keep their gymnasts looking the way they should.

LIke JL though I thought this thread was going to be about something entirely different.


There is no age requirement for the entire games, as I understand it (at least according to Yahoo) - however individual sports have age limits, which are set by the governing bodies of those sports.

But the limits are not on whether or not someone IS that old - but whether or not they BECOME that old in the Olympic year.

So - someone who turns 16 on December 31st can compete in these games in gymnastics - there is every possibility that 15 year old gymnasts are competing perfectly legally.


scholar - 15-8-2008 at 10:15

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Originally posted by janet
There is no age requirement for the entire games, as I understand it (at least according to Yahoo) - however individual sports have age limits, which are set by the governing bodies of those sports.

But the limits are not on whether or not someone IS that old - but whether or not they BECOME that old in the Olympic year.

So - someone who turns 16 on December 31st can compete in these games in gymnastics - there is every possibility that 15 year old gymnasts are competing perfectly legally.
When commentators on the Olympics say that earlier documents establish that some of the girls are violating the rules because they are too young to compete, and that they are competing because the Chinese government has issued them passports with false ages on them--that certainly means they are competing in violation of the rules. There would be no complaint if the rules allow those who turn 16 this year to compete, and if that description fit all the Chinese acrobats.

It does not make sense for the Chinese government to change the ages of the girls on their passports, from what their ages were established to be in earlier documents to an older age, unless the change were necessary to make them appear eligible to compete.

In addition to the documentary evidence, forensic people who judge age say that some of the Chinese athletes have physical characteristics which indicate a younger age. [I would be suspicious if this were the only evidence, without the documents.]


scholar - 15-8-2008 at 10:20

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Originally posted by scholar
The minimum age for competition in the Olympics is 16 years.
This was in the context of a television report specifically about women's gymnastics. They did not explain that the cut-off point for age sixteen is the end of the year, but the context was a mention that the girls are too young to compete, according to the rules.


LSemmens - 15-8-2008 at 12:22

If, by the rules of the Olympic, they are ineligible to compete, and it is proven, then, yes, they should be disqualified and the entire team banned from international competition until after the next Olympics. In this way, it would send a message to the country concerned that their complicity in cheating will not be tolerated either.


Katzy - 15-8-2008 at 18:18

Aren't they likely to seriously damage their bodies, doing that kind of thing, at that age?

Hyper-mobility syndrome and all that?


Daz - 15-8-2008 at 21:00

Not sure that age 16 is the limit, unless it relates solely to gymnastics...? "Team GB" have a 14 year old taking part in some pool events. Tom Daley is the lads name,


janet - 15-8-2008 at 21:36

As I've said above - there's no age limit for the Olympics.

Individual sports are able to set limits, though - I understand that for women's gymnastics, competitors have to be 16 in the year of the Olympics - not necessarily at the time the games take place.


Daz - 16-8-2008 at 00:41

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Originally posted by janet
As I've said above - there's no age limit for the Olympics.


My apologies, I missed that... :)


janet - 16-8-2008 at 11:46

:) when threads get long, it's hard to keep track! :)


scholar - 16-8-2008 at 16:14

Here is an article with some of the documentation.


TooCute4Words - 16-8-2008 at 21:33

Quote:
Originally posted by scholar
Quote:
Originally posted by scholar
The minimum age for competition in the Olympics is 16 years.
This was in the context of a television report specifically about women's gymnastics. They did not explain that the cut-off point for age sixteen is the end of the year, but the context was a mention that the girls are too young to compete, according to the rules.


Replying to yourself, now now waggyfinger;);)


TooCute4Words - 16-8-2008 at 21:35

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Originally posted by Katzy
Aren't they likely to seriously damage their bodies, doing that kind of thing, at that age?

Hyper-mobility syndrome and all that?


You'll be surprised what a young body can do :)

Mines only 20 and that is young ;)


janet - 17-8-2008 at 15:36

Quote:
Originally posted by Katzy
Aren't they likely to seriously damage their bodies, doing that kind of thing, at that age?

Hyper-mobility syndrome and all that?


But a lot of them compete from very, very young - that's what the junior championships are for.

However, at least from the bits of the women's competition I've seen, they seem to have gone away from that very contorted body shape that was so prevalent 10 years or so ago!


Katzy - 17-8-2008 at 18:55

Yeah, that's true.

Golly... remember what those East German women shot-putters looked like...?