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delanti - 12-12-2007 at 03:05

This will be an interesting trial to watch and see which way Canada leans in dealing with religious beliefs.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071211175557.p3d3kaah&show_article=1


the bear - 12-12-2007 at 04:29

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Originally posted by delanti
This will be an interesting trial to watch and see which way Canada leans in dealing with religious beliefs.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071211175557.p3d3kaah&show_article=1


The world has gone mad!!!!!


Regards the Bear


scholar - 12-12-2007 at 06:16

Will the mother stay with her husband after this, I wonder?


the bear - 12-12-2007 at 06:20

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Originally posted by scholar
Will the mother stay with her husband after this, I wonder? [/quote


Not unless they allow cohabiting in Canadian Jails?



Regards the Bear


scholar - 12-12-2007 at 06:23

Perhaps I would better have put it, will the wife still love and support her husband, or will her heart grow cold or angry toward him?


the bear - 12-12-2007 at 07:01

That little girl grew inside her, nuff said


Regards the Bear


Dreamweaver - 12-12-2007 at 10:22

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Originally posted by delanti
This will be an interesting trial to watch and see which way Canada leans in dealing with religious beliefs.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071211175557.p3d3kaah&show_article=1


I don't see religion coming into really. He murdered someone, they have the evidence, case closed......


Daz - 12-12-2007 at 10:43

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Originally posted by Dreamweaver
I don't see religion coming into really. He murdered someone, they have the evidence, case closed......


Indeed, nutters are nutters, religion shouldn't come into it. It will though, as he will no doubt claim he did it in the name of some God/Faith or other... :(


the bear - 12-12-2007 at 12:46

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Originally posted by Daz
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Originally posted by Dreamweaver
I don't see religion coming into really. He murdered someone, they have the evidence, case closed......


Indeed, nutters are nutters, religion shouldn't come into it. It will though, as he will no doubt claim he did it in the name of some God/Faith or other... :(


What "God" wants the blood of innocents?


Regards the Bear


LSemmens - 12-12-2007 at 14:19

In every religion there are those who claim to hear from their "god" who tells them to perform some horrendous task. It does not mean that the religion is to blame, nor should the other adherents to that belief set be tarred with the same brush. In this case, murder is murder, and the guilty party should be appropriately punished. As Daz has said, "Religion shouldn't come into it"!


KOUROSH - 12-12-2007 at 14:35

i hope he learns a good lesson in jail from his cell mates preferably the same punishemnt


delanti - 12-12-2007 at 16:56

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Originally posted by LSemmens
In every religion there are those who claim to hear from their "god" who tells them to perform some horrendous task. It does not mean that the religion is to blame, nor should the other adherents to that belief set be tarred with the same brush. In this case, murder is murder, and the guilty party should be appropriately punished. As Daz has said, "Religion shouldn't come into it"!


I agree Leigh but I think of this case in the context of his actions were taken because his daughter would not follow the teaching of his religion. Not that I agree that anyone should be allowed to kill someone but look at some cases in other countries where the laws have been bent to accommodate religious teachings. I am sure if it was a father who killed his Catholic daughter because she didn't go to confession, it would be cut and dried.

I think he should get life but I still think Islamic beliefs will still come into play during the trial.waveysmiley


Badgergirl - 12-12-2007 at 17:17

I agree with Delanti. The Father's beliefs will naturally be discussed in the trial because they lend a motive for the murder, but they shouldn't have any bearing at all on the verdict and sentance if the verdict is "guilty".

It sounds like the daughter was making her own spirutual path.


scholar - 12-12-2007 at 17:43

Canada has outlawed preaching of the classical Christian doctrine that homosexual acts are sins, actions of which the LORD disapproves. If a priest or other minister proclaims this publicly (e.g. in a sermon), he is subject to arrest for a hate crime.

In such a climate, I'm sure no religious defense will be given weight.


Badgergirl - 12-12-2007 at 22:52

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Originally posted by scholar
Canada has outlawed preaching of the classical Christian doctrine that homosexual acts are sins, actions of which the LORD disapproves. If a priest or other minister proclaims this publicly (e.g. in a sermon), he is subject to arrest for a hate crime.

In such a climate, I'm sure no religious defense will be given weight.


While I dissagree with Homosexuality as a Sin, or the comcept of sin(anyone who knows me on the forum might remember why), I dissagree with the idea that Preaching so should be a "hate crime" in the eyes of the law!

If someone is offended by the view, they can simply find another church. It would be a "hate crime" if the church were holding weekly lynchings of sinners!

Churches are looking to save souls by preaching, so I reckon it's done with a degree of love.Freedom of speech, and the freedom to ignore it!


the bear - 13-12-2007 at 00:50

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Originally posted by LSemmens
In every religion there are those who claim to hear from their "god" who tells them to perform some horrendous task. It does not mean that the religion is to blame, nor should the other adherents to that belief set be tarred with the same brush. In this case, murder is murder, and the guilty party should be appropriately punished. As Daz has said, "Religion shouldn't come into it"!


Religious voices? I hear that Satan does brilliant imitations.

Things so bad can only be evil, brought about by the Devil.


Regards the Bear


the bear - 13-12-2007 at 00:55

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Originally posted by scholar
Canada has outlawed preaching of the classical Christian doctrine that homosexual acts are sins, actions of which the LORD disapproves. If a priest or other minister proclaims this publicly (e.g. in a sermon), he is subject to arrest for a hate crime.

In such a climate, I'm sure no religious defense will be given weight.


What has Homosexuality got to do with this post, we are taking the slaughter of an innocent young girl, arnt we?

Regards the Bear


LSemmens - 13-12-2007 at 11:58

I think that the point Scholar was making, O'Bear, was that the law contradicts a Christian teaching on one issue, hence the law should not accommodate Religious teaching on the issue at hand. A point I agree with, whether I agree with the law, or not.

As for "religious voices" is why I said "their god" (note lower case g in god). I do agree that Satan is a great imitator.


the bear - 14-12-2007 at 08:21

Common sense should prevail, the fathers religious beliefs should stand second to the laws of the country that they live in.
Reflect on the issue of the bear called "Muhamid".

When in Rome and all that


Regards the Bear


LSemmens - 14-12-2007 at 14:16

Re-read my last post on this matter, Bear, you'll see that we agree!


victor - 15-12-2007 at 00:43

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Originally posted by the bear
Common sense should prevail, the fathers religious beliefs should stand second to the laws of the country that they live in.
Reflect on the issue of the bear called "Muhamid".

When in Rome and all that


Regards the Bear


But Bear common sense is dead you yourself posted his obituary I do believe


Redwolf5150 - 18-12-2007 at 23:40

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Originally posted by scholar
Canada has outlawed preaching of the classical Christian doctrine that homosexual acts are sins, actions of which the LORD disapproves.


Excuse me, but I don't recall hearing that DIRECTLY from him/her.

Just the way certain people and religions have read into some 2000+ year old writings attributed to him/her.

At the risk of turning this into a RSE topic, I raise this point.

If God created man in his/her own image, what does that say about gays and lesbians? Are they less in the creator's image because of their sexuality?

I'm as straight as a razor blade, but I cannot tolerate gay bashing, even if done so under the pretext of "God told me to in the Bible."

angrymad2


the bear - 19-12-2007 at 00:17

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Originally posted by victor
Quote:
Originally posted by the bear
Common sense should prevail, the fathers religious beliefs should stand second to the laws of the country that they live in.
Reflect on the issue of the bear called "Muhamid".

When in Rome and all that


Regards the Bear


But Bear common sense is dead you yourself posted his obituary I do believe



Victor that is so true, I should have had the common sense to realise it. ( see that proves it) waveysmiley


Best regards the Bear