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Exorcism film/documentary
scholar - 4-9-2017 at 19:26

http://variety.com/2017/film/festivals/venice-william-friedkin-on-shooting-a-real-exorcism-1202546386

I think that the film would be better supported if the priest were alive to vouch for it.

I have noticed that exorcisms by priests under Roman authority seem to attract more attention than others. I think there is a presumption of sophistication and knowledge, compared to Protestant exorcisms.

The remarks about D.I.D. and exorcisms are a surprise to me. If they are accurate, I wonder if it is a compromise (between those who believe in demon possession, and those who don't) pragmatically. Those who disbelieve may be acknowledging that the practice of exorcism shows results for the patient, even if the patient mistakenly believes he is demon-possessed.

I have known some DID people. One had the frustration of her doctors not believing that DID is a real disorder with real, distinct personalities.


marymary100 - 4-9-2017 at 19:51

DID?


scholar - 4-9-2017 at 20:31

Dissociative Identity Disorder, formerly known as Multiple Personality Disorder. "Dissociative" was probably picked because of the symptom that one or more of the identities do not have access to the experiences of other identities.

The last part of the interview says that psychiatry now uses the category dissociative identity disorder/demonic possession.

But, DID personalities originate in the person; true demonic possession is an invasion from an outside entity or entities.


marymary100 - 4-9-2017 at 21:10

I don't believe in demonic possession, only mental illness in varying forms.


scholar - 4-9-2017 at 22:25

Then, you would be worse than no help to a person who really suffers from demonic possession.

From what I have been able to tell, it is fairly rare. Of course, it is possible that many cases do not come into the public eye, and it is more common than I know.


marymary100 - 5-9-2017 at 05:50

I don't set myself up to help those who claim demonic possession scholar. waveysmiley


Nimuae - 5-9-2017 at 06:38

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Originally posted by marymary100
I don't believe in demonic possession, only mental illness in varying forms.


I agree. There is no such thing as demonic possession - merely excuses for bad behaviour from some people and genuine mental illness in other cases.


LSemmens - 5-9-2017 at 09:21

There are more things in this world than we have knowledge or experience with. I would not be too quick to dismiss cases of "possession" as mental illness, nor would I be prepared to dismiss cases of mental illness as "demon possession". I have certainly seen enough of the effects of the Spirit world to dismiss it out of hand.

All that said, I don't expect that there are as many true cases of possession as some would have us believe. I've certainly met a few over the years that have claimed to have been possessed who, in reality, were just seeking attention.


John_Little - 5-9-2017 at 10:07

The only demons are those created by ourselves. And priests may have a means of dealing with them but only by imitating the methods of a good psychiatrist or counsellor.


scholar - 9-9-2017 at 20:18

Some of my master's degree training in counseling was from the head of the counseling and psychology department. When the subject came up, he told one class that he had only personally encountered one actual demon-possessed person in his many years of practice.

I have encountered one, and the person in need was referred to me because of my pastoral office.


marymary100 - 9-9-2017 at 22:34

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Originally posted by scholar
Some of my master's degree training in counseling was from the head of the counseling and psychology department. When the subject came up, he told one class that he had only personally encountered one actual demon-possessed person in his many years of practice.

I have encountered one, and the person in need was referred to me because of my pastoral office.


At a religious university? I can't imagine a psychologist saying any such thing.


LSemmens - 10-9-2017 at 02:44

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At a religious university? I can't imagine a psychologist saying any such thing.
Why not? A good university should be able to employ psychologists and a good psychologist should be able to look "outside the box" for a possible cause, and solution to a problem.

If the Psych claimed that most of his patients were "possessed" then I'd be more than leery of any of his claims. The fact that he has admitted to finding only one case, to me, say a lot for his credibility. If he laid claim to the fact that No One is able to be possessed, I'd suggest that he is somewhat closed minded.

Like any other field of medicine, if a specialist cannot accept that there is more going on than in his field of expertise, he cannot treat a person holistically. e.g. a person goes to a dermatologist for a lump on his head and he fails to refer on to a Neuro for further investigation.


marymary100 - 10-9-2017 at 08:16

A psychologist is not medically trained so they deal with the mental and emotional issues a person has by CBT and other non-medical therapies. A person who had been raised in a non religious culture but displayed the same behaviours as a "possessed" person would need to be treated differently to the person who believed in devils and gods.


John_Little - 10-9-2017 at 08:35

Any psychologist that believes in demons should see a psychiatrist!


LSemmens - 11-9-2017 at 02:37

psychiatrists are the demons