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World's oldest Quoran fragment before Mohammed?
marymary100 - 31-8-2015 at 19:24

Carbon dating




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Scholars believe a copy of the Koran held in England may be even older than the Prophet Muhammad.

Carbon dating of a fragment from a Koran stored at a Birmingham library suggests that the book was produced between 568 and 645 A.D., said scientists at the University of Oxford, but Islamic scholars generally believe Muhammad lived between 570 and 632 A.D.

If the carbon dating is accurate, the Koran was made before the first formal text was assembled on orders from the caliph Uthman in 653 — and it could date from Muhammad’s childhood or even before his birth, reported The Times of London.

That’s comparable to the discovery of gospel sayings dating from Jesus Christ’s infancy, academics say.

“According to Muslim tradition, the Prophet Muhammad received the revelations that form the Qur’an, the scripture of Islam, between the years AD 610 and 632, the year of his death,” explained Professor David Thomas, Professor of Christianity and Islam and Nadir Dinshaw Professor of Interreligious Relations at the University of Birmingham.


Katzy - 1-9-2015 at 08:51

They'll deem it to be a conspiracy...


LSemmens - 1-9-2015 at 14:57

Sadly C14 dating is only a guide and cannot be the only requirement for dating.

Quote:
Dating considerations
Main article: Radiocarbon dating considerations

The variation in the 14
C/12
C ratio in different parts of the carbon exchange reservoir means that a straightforward calculation of the age of a sample based on the amount of 14
C it contains will often give an incorrect result. There are several other possible sources of error that need to be considered. The errors are of four general types:

variations in the 14
C/12
C ratio in the atmosphere, both geographically and over time;
isotopic fractionation;
variations in the 14
C/12
C ratio in different parts of the reservoir;
contamination.
from WIKI


marymary100 - 1-9-2015 at 18:57

The experts quoted know all that I suspect.


What is interesting to me is that Mohammed was meant to be illiterate and the scriptures were revealed without him reading them and yet there are passages which so closely resemble the Torah and the Bible that it points to either:
a) divine intervention or
b) him having had access to Jewish and Christian texts aurally


scholar - 2-9-2015 at 00:29

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Originally posted by marymary100
The experts quoted know all that I suspect.

So, they know carbon dating is not accurate (actually, this has been demonstrated when carbon tests have been done on items of known age, and the results were wrong). Instead of discarding the method as unreliable, they continue to use it because they place their faith in isotope-decay dating, after it has been shown to be wrong.

They could use a Ouji board or Tarot cards to get an age and date, if they wanted--each of those methods has been unreliable, too.


LSemmens - 2-9-2015 at 02:04

Have a read here scholar, this, and other articles do tend to support the fact that C14 decay is reliable, providing certain supporting criteria are met.


Katzy - 2-9-2015 at 08:55

Didn't Islam split-off from Judaism, at one stage?

After the Ishmael thing?


marymary100 - 2-9-2015 at 16:03

Indeed it did. Which one was the legitimate heir was the source of all the stramash. Naughty old men and their concubines and infertile wives.


Katzy - 3-9-2015 at 11:21

Usual stuff, then... ;)


scholar - 4-9-2015 at 00:53

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Originally posted by Katzy
Didn't Islam split-off from Judaism, at one stage?

After the Ishmael thing?

Not really.

Mohammed began life in the 6th century AD, and began the Islamic religion as such in his lifetime. Isaac was born in the 18th century BC.


LSemmens - 4-9-2015 at 04:59

Yeah, but according to Muslim tradition, Muhammad himself was a Hanif and one of the descendants of Ishmael, son of Abraham (quote from the WIKI on Muhammad)


marymary100 - 4-9-2015 at 05:57

Quite