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Running at a deficit
marymary100 - 5-10-2014 at 22:44

My father's church is running at a deficit of around 1000 per month. At their AGM they were talking about where the money is going. Some of it goes on heating, lighting etc, wages of the minister and in sending money overseas to three different charities.

Personally I think they need to get their house in order and plan for the funds they have available. Whilst I think the charities are worthwhile I think they should be funded separately by the parishioners rather than directly by the church in the hope that people will stump up. The congregation is dwindling and the minister will not charge for funerals etc.

What do you think? Continue to run at a deficit in the hope that some rich benefactor will stump up or leave a donation in their will or cut their cloth according to their means?


scholar - 5-10-2014 at 23:14

In my experience, members of congregations seem to have a more willing heart to donate money for "missions," but they aren't moved to give for mundane local expenses such as office supplies, painting lines on the parking lot, etc.

There is a theological consideration here: people who only wish to give if they like the way the money is spent are sort of giving it with strings attached. In First Testament times (as one of my Hebrew professors liked to say), the offering was given to Yahweh as a sacrifice, something you were giving up. Yahweh designated some such offerings to be completely burned up--the purpose was not in its final use, but in the act of giving up something of value to the One from whom it came.

I hold that finances must follow theology, that Christian giving is to be motivated by what the Lord teaches and one's relationship with Him, not by the urgency of bills to pay.


marymary100 - 5-10-2014 at 23:30

Your church closed though. The local needs must be met before the three overseas projects are considered. Either that or the Rector takes a pay cut or starts charging for hatches, matches and dispatches. The last open day fund raiser was for charity. My dad, my daughter and I all donated. There were historical reenactments, craft fair stalls, coffee and cake and even so they only raised about 300. There are obviously lots of people working hard but not much to show for it at the end of the day.


LSemmens - 6-10-2014 at 01:39

I'll make no comment as I have strong views on the subject and they may not necessarily be well recieved.


the bear - 7-10-2014 at 01:46

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Originally posted by LSemmens
I'll make no comment as I have strong views on the subject and they may not necessarily be well recieved.



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marymary100 - 7-10-2014 at 06:03

A what do you think questions gives you lots of scope Leigh.


scholar - 7-10-2014 at 22:41

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Originally posted by marymary100
Your church closed though.

You refer to one that closed, but most have not.

The one that closed did continue to support other Christian work--specifically, a Christian pre-school. But it was other expenses that led to them closing. They did cut back as much as they could in various areas, even to the point of releasing the paid organist.


John Barnes - 7-10-2014 at 23:39

Charity begins at home simple as that.jmb


LSemmens - 8-10-2014 at 00:26

I started a reply, but I decided that I was coming across as "Self Righteous" and that is not my intent, so I shall maintain my silence.

One scripture that I do live by is Proverbs 3:5&6.


marymary100 - 8-10-2014 at 16:07

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Originally posted by LSemmens
I started a reply, but I decided that I was coming across as "Self Righteous" and that is not my intent, so I shall maintain my silence.

One scripture that I do live by is Proverbs 3:5&6.


As opposed to your Cicero quote I guess.


the bear - 8-10-2014 at 23:44

The Vicars that I have know ( Catholic and Protestant) certainly don't live frugal lives.

Some church fees are that fill the church coffers and pay the clergy's wages are absolutely exorbitant. shocked_yellow



Regards the Bear waveysmiley


LSemmens - 9-10-2014 at 00:20

I'd forgotten about that one, It's part of my sig, and is always "there". God will supply all our needs, provided we do our part. We cannot just "Blab it and Grab it" as some seem to think Christians (especially of the Pentecostal variety) do.


Katzy - 9-10-2014 at 15:21

The minister at a certain church, that I could mention, certainly believes that charity begins at home. Most of the money that church has raised has gone into his own bank account.

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LSemmens - 10-10-2014 at 14:23

Therein lies the problem, Katzy, yes, "the workman is worthy of his hire", but, he'd best be certain that his "hire" is not usury. I have known some wealthy pastors, but it were not from their congregations that their wealth was made, but from honest hard work. (Two were in business together writing and producing a fishing magazine along with other more spiritual books.) For years, neither of them took a wage from the church and we could afford to pay them.