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Deserving our stuff.
Badgergirl - 2-3-2008 at 13:55

I'm posting this in RSE because of the Ethical context of the question, I understand religion will come into this but I would love to see a broader discussion too!

I've been chatting with my J about Footballers, Authours, Rock Stars, Dancers etc. People who's carrers mean they do what they love, for the enjoyment of others AND get paid more than we dream of. If I could do it I would and fair play to those who can!

Then we chatted briefly about "If we ever needed a nanny". I said it was highly unlikely I'd hire one for my future children, even if we DID need the money. Now, I'm not slating Nannys, who only do their job because they love, care and nurture.
Nor am I slating parents who's constraints and pressures lead them to Hire a Nanny. (After all, My J was sent to Boarding School to be settled instead of dragged around RAF bases).

What It made me think is this. I was raised happily. I spent time with my parents, and I was warm and fed. We were not all that well off but I can't say I've felt hard done to. My parents worked hard for us, and if they had higher paid , higher pressure jobs we'd probably have had a) More expensive stuff and b) Less time with eachother.

At what point does having more money lead to "deserving" what you have, and deserving to KEEP what you have? (Even if you aren't always around f'r example)

Do we feel guilty for keeping the Jaguar *instead of buying a nice reliable cute little Skoda, when things get a bit shakey with the Finances?


I'm not moralising, coz I've got a book addiction and J has a Movie and Playstation game addiction. We've all got "stuff" we feel we somehow deserve to keep.



*My dream car! SOO pretty.


scholar - 2-3-2008 at 22:27

I see this on more than one level. In one sense, I don't deserve anything. Anything I do, I just have the good fortune of being able to do it because of a complete body (which I didn't earn) and a great mind (which I did not originally make, either). I am grateful for everything God has given me, whether directly as a gift or indirectly because He has made me able to work for things.

In another sense, I've earned everything that has come to me because of payment for my work. There is no wrong in me having nice things, or in other people having better things than I if their work has earned it for them.

It can still happen that, even if I've earned something, I may be the better person for giving it away, if I see someone else in genuine need.:)


marymary100 - 2-3-2008 at 22:35

I gave up work when I had my daughter. I had some savings and when they were gone I went back to work on a very part time basis. We really struggled financially - food or mortgage payment decisions sometimes - and I only managed to get back to work full time when she was about 7. My job then meant that I could get home when she was getting in from school and my parents did the walking to and from school bit for me to make sure she was safe.

I made a conscious decision that being there was more important than having stuff, holidays etc. We have a very good relationship now which may or may not be as a result of what felt quite a sacrifice at the time.


SRD - 2-3-2008 at 23:00

Aren't all these things personal decisions? Who is prepared to start slinging the first rock and say 'You don't deserve that.'?


Badgergirl - 2-3-2008 at 23:36

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Originally posted by SRD
Aren't all these things personal decisions? Who is prepared to start slinging the first rock and say 'You don't deserve that.'?


I don't think anyone is rock slinging right now. I'm asking if individuals here have personal feelings of Guilt, Deserving, or undeserving surrounding the lifestyles their money allows them.

I'm not wanting to debate the rightness or wrongness of these feelings, merely wondering what people feel about it themselves.


SRD - 2-3-2008 at 23:47

I think you mis-understand, I was looking at your question from my point of view, and if I'm not prepared to judge others why on earth should I judge myself?


LSemmens - 3-3-2008 at 10:52

Your point is valid, Simon, but, really, the only person to judge you is you.
The initial premise was do we feel guilty for the life decisions that we have made. Are there any regrets? I don't think that BG, or anyone else, for that matter, is attempting to moralise on the decisions that others have made.

As for the decisions that I have made in life, by the results that I have achieved with my tribe, I am fairly happy. There are things that I may have changed, but, looking backwards is not looking forwards. The important thing that I have learnt, BG, is No Regrets. If you spend your life worrying about what might have been. You know where that goes. Learn from your mistakes and resolve never to repeat them. The accident that wrote me off really drove home the point "no man knows the hour, or the day" (you knew the Bible was going to come into this somewhere). At that point I was comfortable in my position with my family, others, and my God. Had I died then, I would have been "happy" IYKWIM.


janet - 3-3-2008 at 10:58

I have rather peculiar views on guilt...

It seems to me to be a particularly selfish sort of thing - "Oh, *I've* done wrong...".

Rather than, "there is a wrong that needs to be righted".

From my POV, guilt very often becomes a means of staying in one place, rather than moving on - indeed, I've seen it become a positive indulgence in people, rather than a stepping stone to better things. It is, in essence, backwards focused.

Do we deserve things? That's impossible to answer without a joint basis from which to judge.

It's not a question that interests me to be honest - what is far more important to me is not whether I "deserve" what I have, but whether I use it well.


John_Little - 3-3-2008 at 11:10

The question was - do we deserve the things we have? Or rather to "keep" the things we have.

Although, having said that, we did verge on the question of whether its right to hire a nanny to enable you to go out to work.

Nannies: Well, in a perfect world, you would be able to afford to stay at home with your children because that is probably best for them and for you. Except that Mrs L got quite fed up with being at home with just the kids for company.

Also, interesting question of how come its economically justifiable to hire a nanny which suggests that you are paying less for her time than you are being paid for yours. Do you deserve that much extra for what you do? (you being the royal you - as in "one")

Footballers and pop stars: Hmmm. I think its a bit Virgils Birds. They fly because they can. They get these extraordinary paychecks because we let them and encourage them. I dont begrudge them, as it happens, but do wonder about a world that values a singer more than a nurse.

keeping the car when you really cant afford to - or the playstation or the books. If you are starving your children by keeping them then no. If you are going without only yourself, then if that's what floats your boat.......


John_Little - 3-3-2008 at 11:13

And, Janet......

Catholics! Already! But you cant blame yourselves. You are trained to feel guilty before you are trained to use the pot. You obviously recognise that fact and I think your point above is very true. Dont feel guilty - put it right!

Edit: And the bit about what you do with it, too. Without rich people, you wouldn't have a lot of stuff we have anyway. Even I as a socialist recognise that.


janet - 3-3-2008 at 11:17

It's not all Catholics - it's a fairly particular subset... ;)


John_Little - 3-3-2008 at 11:20

Magdeline Laundries. Nuff said.


janet - 3-3-2008 at 11:28

Oh, I'm not denying it exists - it's just that it's not all 1.1 billion of us.


John_Little - 3-3-2008 at 11:31

Ok, fair point. Slap on the wrist for blantant over-generalisation.

But, come on, surely, deep down inside...........?


janet - 3-3-2008 at 11:35

Nope. Well, no more than anyone else.

Catholicism as well as any other human "thing" is influenced by culture.

And it provides a clear mechanism for accepting forgiveness as well - different cultures emphasise different bits.


John_Little - 3-3-2008 at 11:41

I've forgotten what thread this is but......

The forgiveness thing is a very good point. And used properly, it is extremely therapeutic and could be used as a model for any culture. As is the general support that the RC Church is capable of giving to its members.

I suppose its like anything else, really, potentially excellent but in the wrong hands.......


janet - 3-3-2008 at 11:44

It's humans that are the problem, you see.

The churches would be GREAT if it weren't for all those humans in them.


(If someone misses the point of this post and goes off on one at me - you're all on your own....).


DeWitch - 3-3-2008 at 14:38

Since I believe Badger Girl's question was meaning "material possessions" I will reply to it in that manner.
Hubby and I have worked very hard for anything that we have - so YES I believe we deserve what we have.
The only thing I feel guilty about is the fact that I lost my job and am outdated in anything that I could do for work.
Because of that I am not able to find anything else worth the bother/cost of traveling to for work so he is left paying for it all.

I also agree with Scholar about the sharing with those in need part and if I had anything to share I would also do that.
I have friends I truly wish that I had money to spend on to make their lives better.


John_Little - 3-3-2008 at 14:43

Then you deserve to win the Lottery, DeWitch.

By the way, I like your new avatar. It looks more - "hopefull". But is that your head on the dancer?


DeWitch - 3-3-2008 at 14:44

Quote:
Originally posted by John_Little

Catholics! Already! But you cant blame yourselves. You are trained to feel guilty before you are trained to use the pot.


and John - you are so right and I spent a good share of my life with that guilt until I read something somewhere that said "the only one who can make you feel guilty is yourself"

Also have been inspired by a teabag tag
pretty bad huhtung1
but decide for yourself
"You are only has happy as you make up your mind to be"


John_Little - 3-3-2008 at 14:48

You have to tell us about the teabag tag. I might have been inspired by the tea, but not the tag.


DeWitch - 3-3-2008 at 14:52

Quote:
Originally posted by John_Little
You have to tell us about the teabag tag. I might have been inspired by the tea, but not the tag.

oh you would ask that nananana
ha ha
I do not use that tea anymore and cannot even remember which one does that now
but the tagline was:

"You are only has happy as you make up your mind to be"


DeWitch - 3-3-2008 at 14:54

Quote:
Originally posted by John_Little
Then you deserve to win the Lottery, DeWitch.

By the way, I like your new avatar. It looks more - "hopefull". But is that your head on the dancer?

Well that would be a welcome win:)
and yes that is my head there ha ha ha ha
not my hair though although I did used to have hair longer than that
hopeful?
I am just dancing to keep warm;)


scholar - 3-3-2008 at 15:39

Guilt is to be distinguished from guilt feelings.

Guilt is a poison that we eat with every wrong thing we do. If everything is working well (including a well-trained conscience), we will also feel guilt feelings, which is the same as feeling a little sick from eating the poison. That warns us we have done wrong, and a sensible person will seek to avoid eating what makes them feel sick. Sometimes, people eat a little poison and don't feel sick from it--that's the person who does wrong but they don't feel guilty, like a person who has built up a tolerance for impure food. (Sometimes, people have guilt feelings when they haven't really done wrong. That's like when a person eats healthy food but feels sick anyway, perhaps because it reminds them of a time they ate bad fish or whatever).

Confession and forgiveness from the Lord purges the poison. The guilt comes out, is removed, and doesn't harm us any more.

The person who is forgiven is the most blessed, most fortunate person in the world. We know we are truly loved and accepted, in spite of our misdeeds, problems, and deficiencies. We are loved as we are, unconditionally.

That's one of my favorite reasons for loving the Lord.:D:D:D:D
:banana):banana):banana):banana):banana):banana)


SRD - 3-3-2008 at 16:09

Of course one only needs forgiveness if one has done wrong, not having done anything wrong (as opposed to against the law) I have no need of forgiveness, nor to feel guilt.


scholar - 3-3-2008 at 16:18

John wrote, "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

Paul wrote, "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."


John_Little - 3-3-2008 at 16:44

Mandy Rice-Davis said: But then, he would say that. Wouldn't he.


SRD - 3-3-2008 at 19:14

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Originally posted by scholar
John wrote, "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

Paul wrote, "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
Firstly can you give me evidence that those people actually existed? and then can you give me evidence that those words were actually written by those people? Eyewitnesses, contemporary reports, anything really.


John_Little - 3-3-2008 at 19:15

I can do that for Mandy Rice-Davies (got it wrong the first time)


Badgergirl - 3-3-2008 at 19:43

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Originally posted by SRD
Quote:
Originally posted by scholar
John wrote, "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

Paul wrote, "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
Firstly can you give me evidence that those people actually existed? and then can you give me evidence that those words were actually written by those people? Eyewitnesses, contemporary reports, anything really.


Just because something is old, doesn't mean it's invalid. Just because it may be based on an ideal, rather than fact, doesn't mean the words are inherently wrong.

I'm NOT a Christian, nor a follower of the Bible, but as a historical resource, it's backed up by archeology, History, personal accounts etc. Why doubt too much if "Paul" existed, his book exists, whoever Paul may have been!

Some people doubt the existence of Shakespeare, but this doesn't stop "his" plays existing, nor the beauty (and their ability to annoy schoolchildred everywhere!)


scholar - 3-3-2008 at 19:56

Thank you, Badgergirl. doffs_cap

Simon, when you ask for "eyewitnesses," they will be hard indeed to round up, since the words were written more than 1900 years ago. greengrin greengrin greengrin greengrin greengrin

If I can find any, they will surely be using zimmerframes.

[Actually, I think you know that is an unreasonable request. You couldn't find eyewitnesses to answer questions about any document written then.]


SRD - 3-3-2008 at 20:46

Oh I don't know scholar, surely a man of your calibre could round up one or two, failing that, how about some eyewitness accounts? Some tried and trusted, impartial sources, you know, the kind of thing you demand of others when they have ideas you disagree with.


SRD - 3-3-2008 at 20:55

Sorry BG, I can't for the life of me understand what you mean. Are you saying I have guilt just because some book that you don't believe in says we all sin? Are you saying that I have done wrong because a religion you don't believe in says I have done wrong? I haven't suggested that the bible is wrong because it's old. All I did was to ask for evidence to support the existence of the individuals who supposedly wrote it of someone who demands such evidence from those who would dispute it.
And of course the book has some good points and ideas, it's so woolly and varied as to make it impossible not to.


Badgergirl - 3-3-2008 at 23:30

Quote:
Originally posted by SRD
Sorry BG, I can't for the life of me understand what you mean. Are you saying I have guilt just because some book that you don't believe in says we all sin? Are you saying that I have done wrong because a religion you don't believe in says I have done wrong? I haven't suggested that the bible is wrong because it's old. All I did was to ask for evidence to support the existence of the individuals who supposedly wrote it of someone who demands such evidence from those who would dispute it.
And of course the book has some good points and ideas, it's so woolly and varied as to make it impossible not to.



My post was a direct response to your demand for Witnesses, your direct challenge to the Bible as a resource. It's two thousand years old,and as with any text that old, hard to prove.
So what you seem to be doing again is picking on Scholar's faith in the "Good Book" which you know fine well can't be shaken. He 'aint judging your views by the Bible, he's telling you why and where HE takes HIS views on guilt from. Hence his use of quotes.


Also, drop the "are you suggesting?" thing. I NEVER suggest without saying explicitly. That goes for all of you waggyfinger:D

As for suggesting you feel any guilt about anything, How on earth should I know what you feel?

Well to be honest, I know you answered that rather well in a previous post. :)
You feel have done nothing within your own moral standards that to you justfifies feeling guilt regarding your lifestyle and posessions.
Fine by me! I'm not gonna ask a life history and pull it apart judging you by my own standards.

To me, one of the things that makes a good person is staying by your own moral code.

I started this thread as an inquiry/discussion. Like I wouldn't ask you to debate if it's Wrong to Love marmite!
If you want to Debate the talking point I raised, I'll keep up with the posts but I 'Aint joining in.



Post edited for typo. "Text" replaced "Test".
I nearly decided to leave in the word Test.


SRD - 4-3-2008 at 08:05

Bg, As far as I can see the only question you raised was "At what point does having more money lead to "deserving" what you have, and deserving to KEEP what you have? (Even if you aren't always around f'r example)" which no-one seems to have answered instead the discussion slid off to guilt. So why you should say "If you want to Debate the talking point I raised, I'll keep up with the posts but I 'Aint joining in." specifically to me rather than anyone else (surely scholar's response to me was more off thread) and also when you quite obviously have joined in by defending scholar on two occasions, on which count I think you'll find that scholar is more than capable of defending himself.


LSemmens - 4-3-2008 at 11:58

You are baiting, now, Simon. If it continues, we may need to use the Kill1.


SRD - 4-3-2008 at 12:25

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Originally posted by LSemmens
You are baiting, now, Simon. If it continues, we may need to use the Kill1.
Oh great, so here I am defending my posts and opinions against the onslaught of all and sundry and I'm the one threatened with the chainsaw. Talk about those with similar points of view ganging up together.


janet - 4-3-2008 at 12:43

Just as a point - how is SRD baiting anyone? Perhaps I'm missing it but there's a LOT of stuff far more pointed that goes by without anyone raising an eyebrow...

(Yes, I know about not discussing mod decisions in public but if a warning is publicly given, it only seems fair to say that it doesn't seem a fair one?)


marymary100 - 4-3-2008 at 14:42

I like your posting style SRD, if that's any consolation. :)


John_Little - 4-3-2008 at 14:45

I'll say again, you would say that, wouldn't you.


scholar - 4-3-2008 at 15:43

Badgergirl, I find it serendipitous and delightful that you sometimes get me so well--especially so, since we come from such different life-positions on some topics. greengrin

Perhaps you are more open-minded about how to take the meaning of what I say. I have little or no guile. I make statements of knowledge for the delight of sharing knowledge. I share knowledge from my religion because I hold it as true and find it wonderful and satisfying, especially with regard to the love embodied therein.

I'm glad you are here.waveysmiley


John_Little - 4-3-2008 at 15:53

But, do you ever think that maybe you might - over do it?


marymary100 - 4-3-2008 at 16:01

lips_sealed


SRD - 4-3-2008 at 16:16

Quote:
Originally posted by scholar
Badgergirl, I find it serendipitous and delightful that you sometimes get me so well--especially so, since we come from such different life-positions on some topics. greengrin

Perhaps you are more open-minded about how to take the meaning of what I say. I have little or no guile. I make statements of knowledge for the delight of sharing knowledge. I share knowledge from my religion because I hold it as true and find it wonderful and satisfying, especially with regard to the love embodied therein.

I'm glad you are here.waveysmiley
There's an interesting aroma around here.


Badgergirl - 4-3-2008 at 16:31

Quote:
Originally posted by SRD
Quote:
Originally posted by scholar
Badgergirl, I find it serendipitous and delightful that you sometimes get me so well--especially so, since we come from such different life-positions on some topics. greengrin

Perhaps you are more open-minded about how to take the meaning of what I say. I have little or no guile. I make statements of knowledge for the delight of sharing knowledge. I share knowledge from my religion because I hold it as true and find it wonderful and satisfying, especially with regard to the love embodied therein.

I'm glad you are here.waveysmiley
There's an interesting aroma around here.


Eh?


marymary100 - 4-3-2008 at 16:36

Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they don't "get" you. :)


DeWitch - 4-3-2008 at 16:36

lips_sealedskidaddle


janet - 4-3-2008 at 17:20

Quote:
Originally posted by marymary100
Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they don't "get" you. :)


Entirely so.

There's little point in a discussion forum if everyone agrees....


marymary100 - 4-3-2008 at 17:26

But the occasional "Yes, just so!" is refreshing. ;)


janet - 4-3-2008 at 17:28

Oh, both.

I just get tired of the, "I must agree with so and so, because they are my friend!".

I don't want friends like that. I want friends who say what they think, and aren't afraid to disagree with me.

I also get a tad fed up with the idea that if two people disagree, they have to argue it out till one gives in, or that disagreement = lack of respect, or that the right or wrong of an argument can be decided by the number of people on a forum who agree or disagree with it.


marymary100 - 4-3-2008 at 17:32

I'd be happier if we had a bigger range of topics to discuss. It seems to be quite limited at times.


janet - 4-3-2008 at 17:33

Agreed - I generally try to add some, but it's been a bit busy around here lately... :}


marymary100 - 4-3-2008 at 17:35

There are times when we are all too busy to pose a question which is understandable. It's the same topic being posted over and over again that I object to.


SRD - 4-3-2008 at 17:40

This thread is getting altogether too fluffy for my liking.


janet - 4-3-2008 at 17:45

Post a nonfluffy one, then :)


marymary100 - 4-3-2008 at 17:46

Watch out I don't add a touch of sparkle.........:magic)


SRD - 4-3-2008 at 17:57

Quote:
Originally posted by janet
Post a nonfluffy one, then :)
Haven't you noticed, none of the threads I post get much support, some can do it and some can't.


janet - 4-3-2008 at 17:57

Actually, no I hadn't noticed - I rarely look at who has started a thread, I tend to look in if the subject interests me. :}

My point remains, though - if you don't like a thread, start a different one.


LSemmens - 5-3-2008 at 13:31

My comment had the desired effect, I felt that some of the comments were moving off topic, which is acceptable, to becoming a little personal, which is not. If we have not responded well to your new threads, Simon, it's likely as Janet has observed. I certainly don't judge a thread by the originator, nor do I often look at who has replied, I read all replies, and occasionally address a person specifically. In this case, had I felt that you had contravened the "rules" I would have moderated you and advised you why. I felt that some of the discussion was heading down that route, would you prefer to be warned that the light was about to change or find out after the event when the truck is now firmly sitting in your lap?

This is my take on moderation, other mods may see things a little differently,


SRD - 5-3-2008 at 13:46

I'm a little confused here, I wasn't suggesting that people avoid my threads because they are my threads but because they aren't very interesting, experience has taught me that I post boring threads so I rarely bother.


janet - 5-3-2008 at 13:51

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Originally posted by LSemmens


This is my take on moderation, other mods may see things a little differently,


Ok, I find that worrying.

Surely moderation is a joint effort, with an agreed "take" on the issue???


John_Little - 5-3-2008 at 13:51

Simon had a part in Father ted, he played Father Purcell, the boring priest. Talk about typecasting.


SRD - 5-3-2008 at 13:52

What's Father Ted?


John_Little - 5-3-2008 at 13:56

What's Father Ted!!!!!!!

Only one of the bestest funniest most intelligent comedy programmes in the history of televison!

You are only the second person in the whole world ever to ask me that question.

Oh, I forgot, you are a radio man. You dont know how much you have missed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgBjPNShc2Q&feature=related


LSemmens - 5-3-2008 at 15:02

All moderation, Janet, is done in consultation with the other mods so that we are all on the same page.

I was just saying that I may take more time to pull out the Kill1 than some of the other mods. In some cases, this may not be the case.


John_Little - 5-3-2008 at 15:06

As MM may say, all mods are chainsaw happy, but some are happier than others.

:D


SRD - 5-3-2008 at 15:20

And some mods have friends that they use their powers to support and some are fairer minded.


John_Little - 5-3-2008 at 15:26

you've been talking to Giron again, haven't you.


janet - 5-3-2008 at 18:27

Quote:
Originally posted by LSemmens
All moderation, Janet, is done in consultation with the other mods so that we are all on the same page.

I was just saying that I may take more time to pull out the Kill1 than some of the other mods. In some cases, this may not be the case.


Ok, but that doesn't really make a lot of sense in light of your previous post...


giron - 5-3-2008 at 21:28

Quote:
Originally posted by John_Little
you've been talking to Giron again, haven't you.


John, it's no big secret that I've got some serious issues with the Tiscali forum administrator, but, in my view, things are run differently here.

You need to bear in mind that peoples comments, are often, misunderstood or taken out of context.

I recall an incident, a while back, when Leigh made an unfortunate remark that caused grave offence to another member, now, sadly deceased.

It was all patched up, but it just goes to show how a, relatively, ' innocent ' remark can cause problems.


SRD - 5-3-2008 at 21:31

I can't understand why anyone takes all this so seriously.


giron - 5-3-2008 at 21:36

You'll not get any rep points for posting remarks like that! waggyfinger


janet - 5-3-2008 at 21:56

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Originally posted by SRD
I can't understand why anyone takes all this so seriously.


It depends on what you mean by "it".

The forum? As an "it", it's vaguely important to many, for a lot of reasons.

Other things can be much closer to the bone...


SRD - 5-3-2008 at 22:11

I don't wish to be picky janet but re-reading my post I can't find a reference to your quoted '"it"'. Not very good research eh?nananana


janet - 5-3-2008 at 22:31

Entirely so - should have been "this", not "it".

And no one is paying me to do research here. ;)


SRD - 5-3-2008 at 22:45

Quote:
Originally posted by janet
Entirely so - should have been "this", not "it".

And no one is paying me to do research here. ;)
Good to know your research is only accurate when you're being paid for it. ;)


janet - 5-3-2008 at 22:56

Not quite what I said. :)

But I do spend a lot more time ensuring accuracy when it's the job rather than a forum posting.


SRD - 5-3-2008 at 23:00

wriggle wriggle.


DeWitch - 6-3-2008 at 01:17

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Originally posted by SRD
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Originally posted by janet
Entirely so - should have been "this", not "it".

And no one is paying me to do research here. ;)
Good to know your research is only accurate when you're being paid for it. ;)

I actually knew what she meant without researching it:)
Good thing for me cuz I hate doing research -
but I DO like reading others comments on a things if I know they are actually knowledgeable on the subject and I have seen that Janet is:)


SRD - 6-3-2008 at 08:42

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Originally posted by DeWitch
Quote:
Originally posted by SRD
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Originally posted by janet
Entirely so - should have been "this", not "it".

And no one is paying me to do research here. ;)
Good to know your research is only accurate when you're being paid for it. ;)

I actually knew what she meant without researching it:)
Good thing for me cuz I hate doing research -
but I DO like reading others comments on a things if I know they are actually knowledgeable on the subject and I have seen that Janet is:)
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John_Little - 6-3-2008 at 08:54

So, if we paid you, would it effect the outcome?

Or do you have scrupples?


John_Little - 6-3-2008 at 08:57

I just thought of something else and was about to edit my previous post then thought - sod it! I'll up my post count!

But - (break in proceedings ) good grief! I was only gone a second and there's a whole new page of posts! I wanted to go up and quote Girons comment to me about taking things the wrong way.

Ok, You are totally right, Giron and I think we often forget the differences in culture along with the fact that people have not known us for years and know where we are coming from. Neither can they see the glint in our eye or the well meaning smile on our faces when we post.

But, I can assure everyone here, that most of us newbies are naughty - but nice.


John_Little - 6-3-2008 at 09:00

One more in the bin for my post count.......

OK, I'm a plonka and its a fair cop. There wasn't a whole page of posts turned up during that second. THere was a whole page I hadn't actually read that I didn't realise was there.


janet - 6-3-2008 at 09:07

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Originally posted by John_Little
So, if we paid you, would it effect the outcome?

Or do you have scrupples?


I'm going to assume that's a joke, and not the remarkably offensive question it seems to be on the face of it.


John_Little - 6-3-2008 at 09:59

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I'm going to assume that's a joke, and not the remarkably offensive question it seems to be on the face of it.


Ouch!

But you assume correctly, Janet.


LSemmens - 6-3-2008 at 12:48

I just had a spider's web land across my nose, did I deserve that?


John_Little - 6-3-2008 at 12:52

Well, it largely depends on what kind of spider and whether it was in the web at the time.

But, generally, no.


SRD - 6-3-2008 at 12:55

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Originally posted by LSemmens
I just had a spider's web land across my nose, did I deserve that?
Yup, you should be more thorough in your dusting. :P


Badgergirl - 6-3-2008 at 13:08

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Originally posted by John_Little
So, if we paid you, would it effect the outcome?

Or do you have scrupples?


My Dad had Scruples once, Was bedridden for weeks!
No, wait, that was Shingles.


LSemmens - 6-3-2008 at 13:48

i've had those, too, I'd rather the spider's web though, unless, of course, it was a redback's web.


John_Little - 6-3-2008 at 15:16

There you go with the redback again.

What happened to your wife when she got bit?

sorry to double post but this is important.

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My Dad had Scruples once, Was bedridden for weeks!
No, wait, that was Shingles.

:D


LSemmens - 7-3-2008 at 11:39

I answered in the other thread!

As far as redbacks are concerned, I just had to deal with several nests in the shed that I', lining for the billiard table that I picked up today. Any of you feeling strong? I've got three rather large chunks of slate to remove from my trailer in the morning, two of us weren't strong enough!


SRD - 7-3-2008 at 12:34

You pay the airfare and I'll be there.


LSemmens - 7-3-2008 at 13:00

Can't you swim?


SRD - 7-3-2008 at 13:05

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Originally posted by LSemmens
Can't you swim?
Yup, but only in circles.


LSemmens - 7-3-2008 at 13:40

That's all right, we're on the other side of a bl**dy big circle called "The Earth". I'll see you when you get here!


SRD - 7-3-2008 at 15:37

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Originally posted by LSemmens
That's all right, we're on the other side of a bl**dy big circle called "The Earth". I'll see you when you get here!

LoL, my circles are horizontal not vertical.


LSemmens - 8-3-2008 at 11:31

Bugga! I'll just have to do without! Son and his mate are coming over tomorrow, IF I can con (and I'm sure he'll be amenable) another mate, we may actually get the trailer unloaded. All I've got to do then is finish the walls, slap on a coat or two of paint, lay the floor, set up the table, and "job done"! Gee that sounds like a lot of work, pity I can't swim that far, or I'd be tempted to visit you lot in Pommieland! LOL