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USB Problem
Mick Johnson - 28-11-2007 at 19:33

I'm a happy man tonight as my new board is working just fine without doing anything at all, except fitting it of course.


Katzy - 28-11-2007 at 20:01

My problems are sorted, too!

Remember the rebooting after shutdown and cutting out, after boot?

Tried yet another PSU and all's well.


Must be a good day for computers.


Mick Johnson - 28-11-2007 at 21:37

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Originally posted by Katzy
My problems are sorted, too!

Remember the rebooting after shutdown and cutting out, after boot?

Tried yet another PSU and all's well.


Must be a good day for computers.



It won't last Katzy.:D


Mick Johnson - 28-11-2007 at 21:44

Sh*t, I spoke too soon.

I've just plugged my usb external hard drive in the front ports and I've had the same 'usb device not recognised' bubble.

Surely not again. :(


Katzy - 28-11-2007 at 21:55

You're right, mate.

Computers are, most definitely, female.


Mick Johnson - 28-11-2007 at 22:05

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Originally posted by Katzy
You're right, mate.

Computers are, most definitely, female.


I dare not answer that.

I hope they did'nt give me back the wrong (duff) board.


Daz - 29-11-2007 at 01:20

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Originally posted by Mick Johnson
Sh*t, I spoke too soon.

I've just plugged my usb external hard drive in the front ports and I've had the same 'usb device not recognised' bubble.

Surely not again. :(


Tried with a Live CD again?

Could it be a dodgy case? (Wired wrong, or just faulty USB leads even?)


Mick Johnson - 29-11-2007 at 12:21

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Tried with a Live CD again?

Could it be a dodgy case? (Wired wrong, or just faulty USB leads even?)



Daz, it's only done it once when I plugged my external drive into the front usb. Both ports went dead until I rebooted and it's not done it since. I'm sort of dreading it appearing again.

This however is exactly the way it started before and it was quite a time before it got to dropping at regular intervals.

We'll see how it goes I suppose.


Katzy - 29-11-2007 at 19:12

I'm coming at this from an oblique angle, here, Mick.

You made sure that nothing USB is set to turn off to save power, if I remember rightly.

How many of your USB bits'n'pieces are self-powered (ie. they have their own power supply) and how many are powered via the USB ports?

Could you have too much of a power-drain, leaving you in need of a higher-wattage PSU?


Mick Johnson - 29-11-2007 at 20:28

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Originally posted by Katzy
I'm coming at this from an oblique angle, here, Mick.

You made sure that nothing USB is set to turn off to save power, if I remember rightly.

How many of your USB bits'n'pieces are self-powered (ie. they have their own power supply) and how many are powered via the USB ports?

Could you have too much of a power-drain, leaving you in need of a higher-wattage PSU?


When I put the new board in I re-ticked all the 'turn off to save power' boxes just to make sure I had no problem with the new board. They are still ticked.

When I had the problem originally it would give the error with no devices plugged in at all. It was the internal usb connectors on the board that failed not the external ports.

It was an internal one that gave me the fright yesterday but had nothing since.

It's funny though that it was the same device (portable external drive) that originally started it all off before slowly getting worse.

Like I said, I've not had it since so hopefully it won't appear again.....some hopes. :)


LSemmens - 30-11-2007 at 11:49

If the problem occurs again after plugging in the same device, I'd be wondering about the device.


Mick Johnson - 30-11-2007 at 20:30

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Originally posted by LSemmens
If the problem occurs again after plugging in the same device, I'd be wondering about the device.


I'v already wondered Leigh, but in the end my board was tested and found to be faulty.

Still has'nt done it agian..........yet. :)


Mick Johnson - 17-12-2007 at 20:19

It seems I still have a problem with usb but is now a little different.

I have had the same bubble pop-up a couple of times but thought it had gone. Well it has, I think, as I ain't seen it for a while.

However the problem now, is, sometimes, and it's only done this about 3 times, when I press the start button I have no power at all. It seems to start when I have fiddled with the power cable a bit. I know it's not the cable as I've already replaced it but could be the socket I suppose.

Anyway, when I get it going I have no usb at all and have to re-boot 3-4 times before it comes back which is becoming a pain in the Asus.

Also, the 'plop' has gone when connecting/disconnecting usb devices.

I am still 'Hibernating' but will shutdown properly for now to see if it's causing the problem.

Do you think it's a problem caused by 'Hibernating' as I seem to think my boards not 'waking up' properly.

And, why if it is the socket would the usb go totally dead.


Daz - 17-12-2007 at 20:50

The PSU Mick, is it a Tagen? I've heard of some Tagen's having issues pretty similar to what you describe.... Just something that springs to mind...

I never, ever, use Hibernate, I find it causes more trouble than it's worth, and is a total resource hog to boot..... As you say, try turning it off and see what happens....


Mick Johnson - 17-12-2007 at 21:10

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Originally posted by Daz
The PSU Mick, is it a Tagen? I've heard of some Tagen's having issues pretty similar to what you describe.... Just something that springs to mind...


Daz, it's an Antec. I like a decent power supply.

Must admit though I had wondered myself it it was was the power supply and I do have a cheapie one to try if all else fails.

Think I'll try shutting down first.


Daz - 17-12-2007 at 21:54

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The PSU Mick, is it a Tagen? I've heard of some Tagen's having issues pretty similar to what you describe.... Just something that springs to mind...


Daz, it's an Antec. I like a decent power supply.

Must admit though I had wondered myself it it was was the power supply and I do have a cheapie one to try if all else fails.

Think I'll try shutting down first.


Tagen's are decent PSU's Mick, but some I believe previously have had issues. That said, my Tagen has never let me down, but Wilbur will testify they were known to have power cable problems....


Mick Johnson - 17-12-2007 at 22:23

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Originally posted by Daz
Tagen's are decent PSU's Mick



Yes, I know they are. I think you took it the wrong way Daz. :) although I can see why after looking at my reply again...


Daz - 18-12-2007 at 00:57

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Tagen's are decent PSU's Mick



Yes, I know they are. I think you took it the wrong way Daz. :) although I can see why after looking at my reply again...


It's cool, I know you meant nothing by it, I was just defending my little baby before Wilbur spots this....! :D ;)


Wilbur - 18-12-2007 at 13:36

Too late Daz.....I have spotted your defence of Tagan PSU's.......:D
I would never ever trust one in any machine of mine again, although I think the later ones are a bit better, but until they drop Topower as their manufacturer, the quality is always going to be a bit of hit and miss.
Antec PSU's....the early ones (pre NeoHE and Trios) can be very dodgy because of their crap capacitors which do not like heat one little bit.
If you have a well cooled case, then they may well provide decent service, but let them get too hot over time, and expect the 'magic smoke' to escape.
Antec generally is not a name to inspire confidence.......Google a bit and find out for yourself.....but avoid the fanboys.
Thermaltake have a bad name for PSU's and are trying really hard to shake that bad reputation off, and are doing a stirling job with their Toughpower range.


Mick Johnson - 18-12-2007 at 20:06

It's done it again tonight and that's after shutting down properly last night.

I think I'll swop my supply with my sons 'cheapie' and see if he gets any probs.

Wilbur, I got an Antec as I heard nothing but good things about them. Mine is a Truepower 2.0 - 430w.


Wilbur - 19-12-2007 at 06:44

Make sure you have good internal cooling so the thing doesn't get too hot, but I can point you to specialist forums where the opinion of a lot of Antec models is no too good smokin:


LSemmens - 19-12-2007 at 14:45

The PSU swap is a good start, Mick, it will, at least, prove that component.


Mick Johnson - 4-1-2008 at 22:01

I still have a problem with my MB or PSU. I have put another PSU in my machine and it seems ok.

I have put my PSU in another machine and again it seemed ok.

I put my PSU back in my machine and it plays up.

Anyway I've sorted it now taking out both the PSU and MB and putting them in a box. :D

Actually, I rang the place I got them from and they told me it may be an incompatibility between the two so I'm taking them back in the morning.

Luckily they are both still under warranty so no charge for testing or replacement.


Mick Johnson - 18-1-2008 at 20:04

Got another new board today, that's 3 now, as they said the usb was wonkey even though it worked perfect with another PSU.

I'll never know if it was an incompatability issue between the board and PSU, because, believe it or not they lost my PSU.

They did let me pick another brand new one of course.


Katzy - 18-1-2008 at 21:44

That seems like a bit of a result, to me!


Daz - 18-1-2008 at 21:57

Too, right, new board AND PSU...!

Result! (Caveat being the PSU is still a quality unit...) ;)


Mick Johnson - 18-1-2008 at 22:17

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Originally posted by Daz
Too, right, new board AND PSU...!

Result! (Caveat being the PSU is still a quality unit...) ;)



They wanted me to have the same PSU but it was about 15 cheaper than when I got it so I said 'no thank's'

I ended up choosing one of similar value...another Antec.. but only because it was the only one I could see that was 'modular' which I thought was a good idea, and it is because you only have to fit the cables you need.

It's all up and running now with no 'blips'......yet.


LSemmens - 19-1-2008 at 13:23

Hooray! We have a winner! Have fun Mick!