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Inversion therapy
scholar - 27-1-2018 at 03:15


A few friends from one of my congregations have these and speak very highly of them. For Ruby's back pain, I ordered the most expensive one (it has accessories which my friends say are important to have, and which cost more to purchase separately).

Right now, there is a $14.95 30-day trial. So, if it doesn't seem to be helping sufficiently, I can send it back with an acceptable loss. However, the deluxe package that I got billed me for an extra $100 in the initial payment, which I will get back if I exercise the return option.

I'm told it feels good, and a person who uses it regularly will be measurably taller, in addition to the pain-relief aspect.

Ruby hates the back pain, but we really don't want to do surgery. Surgery doesn't always help, it involves some risks, and a diabetic heals/recovers more slowly than others.

Our insurance has declined to authorize the MRI that the doctor says she wants to take to identify the best approach. Ruby did have an MRI a few years ago, and was told she has arthritis in her spine. As I understand it, that does not point to surgery for a remedy.

I have also thought that Ruby might benefit from a well-fitted back brace. She had an off-the-shelf one some years ago and didn't like the way it fit against her ribs. But, I wonder if something better could be found for her.

Has anybody had experience in this area that you would care to share?

JackInCT - 27-1-2018 at 04:17

Originally posted by scholar
I have also thought that Ruby might benefit from a well-fitted back brace.

There is a good deal of varying definitions of the specific details here.

There are highly specialized hospitals with significant outpatient services that are known, label wise, by various terminologies, and to add to possible confusion, local community based general hospitals often offers what it claims are "comparable" services.

Rehab oriented hospitals offer state of the art in orthopedics, orthotics, and the list goes on and on re specialties for long term chronic issues; and I haven't even mentioned such services for those with amputations. It is very difficult to use pigeonhole type labels for these kinds of places, and even more difficult to decide just how much better, if at all, than what your local community based general hospital has to offer. And the confusion only grows if you ask a primary care physician about the choices because it's not unheard of that their practice seldom sees patients who have been to such facilities who have major overwhelmingly difficult medical problems; and such patients are a very small segment of their caseload (and throw in a no home visit policy for their practice if that's applicable).

As one TINY example, Connecticut's outstanding facility, Gaylord Hospital, has a program utilizing the Ekso Bionic Exoskeleton. I wouldn't be surprised if my primary care physician has never had a patient with one, for no other reason than there is likely no more than a handful of patients in the entire state with one.

The issues your describe are directly affected by the drive time to such a facility; Gaylord is about an hour's drive one way from where I live. Pretty much a whole day affair.

If you decide to look into this, besides web searches, there is of course insurance payment issues.

Perhaps a starting point would be someone you know well enough, as one possibility, who had a stroke, and is now using a wheelchair full time and living at home, and where they got services from AFTER the first discharge from the community hospital; NOT necessarily that they opted to go to such a place, but as important, what facilities were recommended to them for 'more advance services' that for whatever reason they decided not to avail themselves of that. Learning why they did NOT go to one place, is as important as how they based their decision to go somewhere else, and of course why they decided to forget about it entirely.

marymary100 - 27-1-2018 at 10:27

I think Ruby should read the contraindications first. She has several of the risk factors.

for example

John_Little - 27-1-2018 at 12:26

Couldn't she just lie with her head on the floor with her legs on the couch? With a few strategically placed cushions?

scholar - 27-1-2018 at 17:05

Originally posted by John_Little
Couldn't she just lie with her head on the floor with her legs on the couch? With a few strategically placed cushions?

If the idea were just to change blood circulation, such as some people do whose feet swelll, that could work.

But here, the idea is to hang from your ankles so as to have your weight stretching out your spine, instead of having your weight compress the parts. The soft tissue between the vertebrae then have an opportunity to decompress. I think the pain relief comes from the nerve tissue becoming less squeezed, less pinched. (Some instances of intense pain are attributed to a pinched nerve, which may even be perceived as pain in the area to which the nerve path leads, even though the damage/pinch is along the pathway.)

scholar - 27-1-2018 at 17:22

Originally posted by marymary100
I think Ruby should read the contraindications first. She has several of the risk factors.

for example

There is a standard phrase put into almost every medical advert in the U.S., that you should consult with your own doctor before doing anything.

But there is a problem: the lawyers put that phrase in so that they can disown any harm, as a bulwark against lawsuits.

However, the safest course of action for any doctor is to advise against everything, so that he is protected against any liability. Surgeons will advise you to get cortisone shots or licensed motion therapy or surgery, and nothing else.

Ruby and I have seen this when she calls the hospital with ANY medical concern. They may give some information, but they ALWAYS say, "You'd better come in to the hospital for us to check it out." Because, even if you are only reporting a small cut, or muscle soreness, they are afraid of liability for giving you any advice, and then the caller dies from something he didn't even mention and the relatives want to sue because the hospital might have saved him if they'd had him come in.:(

That is one factor in making the cost of health care so high in the U.S. Every hospital and doctor must have malpractice insurance or risk high personal expense from lawsuits (even if they are innocent and must bear the cost of their defending lawyer).

So, Ruby will start with a little and gentle, and work her way toward more, if she is benefiting.

LSemmens - 28-1-2018 at 02:26

ANY medical practice worth their salt WILL NOT give any medical advice over the phone. It has nothing to do with litigation, it is good medical practice. As Mary has suggested, inversion therapy carries some risk and you are well advised to get advice before following that course. A good doctor would allow such if he thought it may assist.

From the information you've provided over the years, Scholar, you do not appear to have a regular family doctor with whom you have a long term relationship. This is working against you best interests as NO DOCTOR worth his salt will try anything on a "new" patient.

We've had the same GP for many years, only seeing another (from the same practice) when he is unavailable. If we feel that something is worth investigation (like your inversion therapy) we discuss it with him. He'll either say, it's worth a try, or give good reasons why you should not try a thing.

Some years back wife was given a consultation with an Iridologist who suggested a certain condition and range of treatments. Wife went to her GP with the recommendations, he took one look at the report and said, "A simple blood test will prove this". We did the blood test and, guess what, NOTHING the Iridologist said was even close.

scholar - 28-1-2018 at 21:56

The clinic which serves me has interns rotate in and out. So, Ruby and I have a certain degree of continuity, but not an individual doctor over the years.

The thing is, fully experienced doctors are worth more, and charge more. My Obamacare health insurance does not start paying until a yearly deductible of thousands of dollars has been met.

scholar - 17-2-2018 at 23:09

A few days ago, Ruby tried the Teeter, but she didn't view the instructional video first, or pre-set the machine for her proper height, or set a limit to how far the device would tilt, and she fell out of it.:(shocked_yellow

It was both scary and painful, and she was sore for some days.

Today, one of the people staying with us used it successfully. Then Ruby and I each set it for out own height and used it successfully. Then, the person who first used it figured out how to set the inclination limit (it was simple--an adjustable nylon belt keeps it from inclining past the angle you set for it). We will still use it with someone else around, but I expect we will be able to use it solo once we have done it a dozen times without trouble. One of the keys is setting the height properly, so one's weight can be evenly balanced over the pivot point. Another is the inclination limit--a person can pull up again from an inclination of 20 or 30 degrees much more easily than 45 or 60 degrees.

It says a lot about Ruby, that she was willing to use it again, after the initial accident.greengrin And, she loves it! She feels much better immediately, while she's using it. I suspect sustained benefits will require more time in the Teeter. She had it at what seemed to me to be too great an angle, and felt she had to get out of it in just a minute or so. I think more minutes, as a less steep angle, will do her more good.

LSemmens - 18-2-2018 at 13:11

When all else fails...... RTFM!!!! i.e Read The Fine Manual! :D

JackInCT - 19-2-2018 at 00:00

Originally posted by LSemmens
.. Read The Fine Manual!

Better still look at the YouTube videos. I was particularly impressed by the trapeze version featuring consenting adults.