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Badgergirl

[*] posted on 10-8-2017 at 19:22
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155303867070399&id=18933990398

The Last Pride I went to was dedicated to the memory of a young man who's family's homophobia had driven him to Suicide.
His ex boyfriend (a friend of J and I) comes from a country where his bisexuality is still illegal.
The abuse runs a lot wider and a lot deeper than a distaste for flamboyance.
Pride Parades are set up not only as a celebration of human sexuality and love, but as a safe place for people to be themselves, if only for a little while in the crowds who love and accept them. At the moment, Transgender people are still in need of the loud and proud.

Bringing it back 'round to the point, the T in LGBT stands for Transgender. It means Trans men as much as it does trans women... But people seem to forget this and go straight to worrying that trans women are a threat to vulnerable women.
Sporting discussion aside, are Cis gendered men comfortable around Trans Men in Male Only spaces?
Badgergirl

[*] posted on 10-8-2017 at 15:22
Quote:
Originally posted by LSemmens
Might it be because of the "look at me" brigade that you are copping abuse? As is a common cry, not ALL Muslims are terrorists, but, because of those that are, Muslims, generally are distrusted, and some are also abused. I've not been close to a member of the LGBT fraternity (for want of a better word) for many years, although I have had contact on and off since then. By and large they are all people who just want to live their lives without any stigma attached.


I don't disagree that every community has it's extremist nutters but I'm not in agreement that they "cause" homophobic abuse, which is tantamount to blaming the victim of a crime.


The "look at me" brigade are also going to be exactly like that if they are gay or straight. It's who they are. They are just the people who stand out from the crowd.
LSemmens

[*] posted on 10-8-2017 at 03:51
Might it be because of the "look at me" brigade that you are copping abuse? As is a common cry, not ALL Muslims are terrorists, but, because of those that are, Muslims, generally are distrusted, and some are also abused. I've not been close to a member of the LGBT fraternity (for want of a better word) for many years, although I have had contact on and off since then. By and large they are all people who just want to live their lives without any stigma attached.
Badgergirl

[*] posted on 8-8-2017 at 17:41
Quote:
Originally posted by LSemmens
I said that there would be few women. I reckon that either of the Williams sisters could also demolish many of the top men tennis seeds, too. Some sports need to be segregated, predominately contact sports. All we need do is look at world record holders in most disciplines to see the differences. This not to denigrate anyone.

However, in the big bucks of sports we are going to have to be very careful of who we permit to play in the competition to be fair to all participants.

I agree that there was a time for protest and "look at me", I also believe that time has now passed, and they (being whichever group), now that they have been largely recognised, need to get on with the job of lobbying those in parliament and joining the parliamentary ranks themselves to get laws changed.


The time has not passed as long as my partner and I still get abuse in the street.
marymary100

[*] posted on 8-8-2017 at 07:51
The school I taught in in America had girls in the soccer teams and that was 28 years ago. My current school has girls in the rugby and football teams from the age of 11-14 then they get segregated. A talented girl in my own class went on to play professional football in Italy and that wasn't yesterday. It's about desire not being stymied by opportunity only being available to certain groups.
LSemmens

[*] posted on 8-8-2017 at 02:14
I said that there would be few women. I reckon that either of the Williams sisters could also demolish many of the top men tennis seeds, too. Some sports need to be segregated, predominately contact sports. All we need do is look at world record holders in most disciplines to see the differences. This not to denigrate anyone.

However, in the big bucks of sports we are going to have to be very careful of who we permit to play in the competition to be fair to all participants.

I agree that there was a time for protest and "look at me", I also believe that time has now passed, and they (being whichever group), now that they have been largely recognised, need to get on with the job of lobbying those in parliament and joining the parliamentary ranks themselves to get laws changed.
Badgergirl

[*] posted on 7-8-2017 at 09:51
I'm so grateful to the "look at me" crowd.
I go to Pride events to be part of the bustle.

If it weren't for their noise and hassle J would have waited even longer to come out.

Without them, we wouldn't have a fight for LGBT equality. The
"What happens behind closed doors" rhetoric would keep people in shame and silence.

For some, even speaking the phrase "My (same sex partner) and I booked our plane tickets" is brave when you work in a homophobic environment.
What is perfectly comfortable chatter for straight couples can result in abuse for a gay person. Being the target of unsavoury "Jokes" isn't everyone's cup of tea.

When a trans colleague came out in my last job, it took her YEARS to do so because she worked in a very typically "masculine" environment. She'd been scared to live her full life at work.
She came out recently with MUCH thanks to the noisy, angry (re: fed up with Bull****) crowd.

The noisy ones remind us that "Different" people are everywhere...and are everyone.

If you don't make homophobic jokes, or preach homophobic sermons then the anger and frustration isn't aimed at you.
But it's there, and to dismiss people's behaviour as "attention seeking" is missing the point.
marymary100

[*] posted on 7-8-2017 at 08:41
Quote:
Originally posted by LSemmens
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Even in sport, sadly, there would be few women that could compete with men at the top level. That is a fact of life, but, should we segregate based on sex. What if a male athlete chose gender re-assignment just to perform in a women's comp because he could not make it in the male realm. He may, actually have a chance against the women. To me, that is not fair. If the comp were truly gender neutral, that same athlete would still be an also ran.

Anyway, you get my drift.



I know you have memory problems so here is a reminder

Tennis example
LSemmens

[*] posted on 7-8-2017 at 01:03
Seriously, I could care less about what sex you want to be, or with whom you want to have sex. I DO have a problem with the "Hey! Look at me! I'm different" crowd. If they just got on with the job of doing whatever it is that makes them happy, I don't think that there'd be too many of us who would care. What goes on behind closed doors should stay there! For true equality there should be no such thing as women's and men's anything.

Even in sport, sadly, there would be few women that could compete with men at the top level. That is a fact of life, but, should we segregate based on sex. What if a male athlete chose gender re-assignment just to perform in a women's comp because he could not make it in the male realm. He may, actually have a chance against the women. To me, that is not fair. If the comp were truly gender neutral, that same athlete would still be an also ran.

Anyway, you get my drift.
scholar

[*] posted on 6-8-2017 at 23:48
I have the impression that most trans people do what they need to do for elimination in stalls with the door closed. They do not wish to cause problems to anybody, or to have anyone cause them problems.

Public schools and locker rooms tend to have less privacy in the U.S., and I think more private areas would help. Indeed, I think people who have issues with how they look would be pleased to shower and change without others viewing them. (I dated a girl who'd had skin grafts from a scalding water accident when she was a baby, and she was self-conscious about them.)
Badgergirl

[*] posted on 6-8-2017 at 14:23
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/Pages/Introduction.aspx

As much as I generally want to smack Jenner, she HAS accepted who she is and who she's always been (even if that's a bit of a moron).

The best outcomes for people with Gender Dysphoria happen when they seek therapy and treatment.
Most often the treatment with the best outcome is to transition socially and/or medically to some degree or another.

To be yourself. To live your true life.
To throw away the performance of Gender that society has imposed upon you for the nature of your sexual characteristics.

Gender is a social construct. How I "Perform" being female is how I've been raised as a girl in English society. It's also how I'm comfortable for the most part.

Based on the testimony of many of my friends...and of my own partner, I can try to put myself in the shoes of a Trans person.

Simply imagine everyone telling you that you are something you are not!
Telling you that you must behave in a way you don't want to. (ANY activity might fall into this, it varies from culture to culture, from family to family)
To wear clothes you feel restricted in.

Jenner is brave.
Any trans person who is brave enough to come out and be themselves deserves some respect for the choice.

And do we really suppose the first thing a Trans woman is going to do in a locker room is wang her willy about?
Heck no!!!
Badgergirl

[*] posted on 6-8-2017 at 13:04
I'm sure y'all know what I feel about this.

I don't like the automatic association of Trans women with sexual predators.

On a venn diagram of the two, there's a miniscule overlap.
You might as well be drawing one of Librarians and people who own Jet Skis.
There's always going to be someone who is both.
LSemmens

[*] posted on 1-8-2017 at 01:21
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Quaver

[*] posted on 31-7-2017 at 11:44
I think it's fine.
There will always be "predatory males/females" transgender or not.
marymary100

[*] posted on 31-7-2017 at 10:36
BBC

We have some pupils who are transitioning at work and will complete the process after they leave school should they wish to. They have access to different toilets and changing areas and Guidance staff check in with them on a regular basis.

The law in England and Wales might be changing to allow people to call themselves whichever gender they like without the need for the person having had the medical route. This is out for consultation.

Some women are extremely concerned about this. Vulnerable women, naked in changing rooms or at rape crisis centres are cited as some potential exceptions along with women's prisons etc.


As it currently stands:


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It can take more than five years for trans men and women in England and Wales to legally change their gender under the current system
To change gender in the eyes of the law, individuals have to apply for a certificate under the 2004 Gender Recognition Act
They must be aged 18 or older and must live for two years in their preferred gender
They need to have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria from a psychiatrist - a condition where a person experiences distress because of a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity
Once someone has this diagnosis, they can apply to a gender recognition panel - a legal tribunal which will look at the evidence submitted before deciding whether to issue a certificate
People can change the gender on documentation including passports and driving licences without a gender recognition certificate




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"'Women are oppressed on the basis of their biological sex, not their gender identity," she added. "There has to be a place for the female sex as a distinct group."



What do you think?