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scholar

[*] posted on 14-7-2009 at 13:15
Quote:
Originally posted by marymary100
The thing is scholar there have been several complaints about the "let's gripe about Obama" type threads taking over the board.

to the non-Americans they seem just more of the same. "I think that Obama is awful and his party shouldn't be in power" is the too often repeated subtext.
It is worthwhile to note that any assertion that I always gripe about Obama is false.

When Obama allowed the American naval ship to fire on the Somalian pirates, I agreed with that action and supported him.

When Obama said that he wanted a stimulus bill that would put people to work immediately, and the Democrat congress instead authorized vast amounts of money for pet projects that would not begin construction for a year or more, I sided with Obama.

The first post here, from which the heading was removed by a moderator, is neutral, reporting the fact that Obama's poll numbers are worse than they used to be. Whether he is doing well or poorly, some of the press are not giving him as easy a time as he had before, and some of the public are no longer favorable to him. That says nothing about whether he is right. (Think of George Bush, who adopted the winning strategy of the surge in Iraq during a period when his poll numbers were poor. He had better numbers at the beginning, when he tried to use fewer troops who did not stay and hold an area in which they had fought, a strategy which was eventually abandoned in favor of the "take and hold" strategy which DID succeed.)

Sometimes he does well, and sometimes he does badly. I am not an always-against-Obama guy.:)
Redwolf5150

[*] posted on 13-7-2009 at 16:02
I'd second that one.
LSemmens

[*] posted on 13-7-2009 at 13:05
The only suggestion that I might make, would be that all political posts, wether American, or other, be posted there. Whilst some Americans can be very politically aware, we would not want to be singling just them out, IYKWIM.
Daz

[*] posted on 12-7-2009 at 19:01
Quote:
Originally posted by Dreamweaver
I have created a forum especially for USA Politics and Healthcare.

Please be aware though if this becomes an issue in "todays Posts" it will be password protected the same way trivia is.

I hope this is a satisfactory result.


An excellent solution, given the first solution went down like a lead balloon, which I also agreed with! ;)

My only concern is the "Todays Posts", which is my main, often only guide, to what is going on here on KF.... From an entirely selfish POV, I'd rather it was passworded from the get-go, but can understand the desire to refrain from that avenue.

Good luck Mods! :D
marymary100

[*] posted on 12-7-2009 at 18:17
A thousand million thankingyou s :D
Dreamweaver

[*] posted on 12-7-2009 at 18:06
I have created a forum especially for USA Politics and Healthcare.

Please be aware though if this becomes an issue in "todays Posts" it will be password protected the same way trivia is.

I hope this is a satisfactory result.
marymary100

[*] posted on 12-7-2009 at 16:25
I'll bet. ;)
Redwolf5150

[*] posted on 12-7-2009 at 16:11
Edited on the urging of Jackie (Who is FAR more fearsome than ANY moderator team)
Faolan

[*] posted on 12-7-2009 at 11:33
I will add this isn't a political fora, it's a tech support fora that allows disparate discussions all topics as long as it abides the rules.

Unnecessary repetition of a point is both tedious and it may discourage other people to post as if the front page of todays posts is mostly from a narrow range of topics then that will give a negative impression.

You've made your point about your views on Obama and his administration let it lie or do a single thread... That's all we're asking. If not people may not so much ignore the threads but ignore you.
LSemmens

[*] posted on 12-7-2009 at 10:46
Thank you, Mary.

I agree with mary, scholar, too many "Obama" threads become quite tedious and we have had to field many "complaints". Whilst there may be some interest in some of these threads, in many cases, the value is diminished by the volume of them. Whilst your premise is that people can avoid such threads, this does not always hold true as we mods have to read them all and, if many members operate like me, they open "todays posts", start at the top, open all those from my last activity and then proceed to read them, responding as appropriate. Rarely do I look at the OP or Topic.
marymary100

[*] posted on 12-7-2009 at 10:07
The thing is scholar there have been several complaints about the "let's gripe about Obama" type threads taking over the board.

Many have been by U2U and some have been posted in your many threads publicly so you probably know who is annoyed by them if you've been paying attention.

If you'll think back to the election you'll remember that we hoped that threads like this would stop entirely. However, not only haven't they stopped but they continue to litter the discussion board as if they are somehow different but to the non-Americans they seem just more of the same. "I think that Obama is awful and his party shouldn't be in power" is the too often repeated subtext.

The moderator team wants a middle way from now on. We want them all in the one thread so that those who want to read them know where to look and those who have to moderate them can look in the one place.

We even stickied them to make it easy for everyone to find.

We know that you find American politics infinitely exciting and want to discuss it endlessly but others find it tedious and want to avoid it but are in danger of avoiding the board entirely which is something we, the team, want to avoid.

Karl wanted variety and interesting posts and posted new topics every day. I have tried to keep this going but you'll see that they are new topics.

There were complaints when I posted a topic in a separate thread which was similar to a recent vivisection thread so American politics can't be treated any differently.

If you'd listened to the publicly posted complaints in the first place you could have taken that on board yourself and there would have been no reason for the moderation team to step in.
scholar

[*] posted on 12-7-2009 at 01:01
Quote:
Originally posted by marymary100
Please confine all Obama-type non-healthcare threads to this one thread.thankingyou
Although I was not here at the beginning, I did read about the background for Karlsforums.

As I understand it, Karl was a fine contributor to and worker in other forums, including one in particular. However, some moderators there did not treat him well. In fact, in various forums on the internet, he saw that moderators had a measure of power and control that was used according to the whim of the moderators. They might be hard on some people whose posts they didn't like, but favorably disposed to the posts of others.

Of course, this wasn't fair.

Karlsforums was set up to be a model of fairness, an example of the very best way a forum might be run. The rules were posted for any member to read, and each member's post would be treated according to the rules. Stay within the rules, and you were fine, your posts would not be changed, even if their content was unpopular. If anyone broke the rules--which were in place when he became a member, in advance of his posting--he suffered appropriate consequences.

Now, I find that some of my posts are moved around or put under another heading when I have broken no rules. In addition, I find that only topics in which I show repeated interest are herded into combination threads. Is every photographic topic put into one thread? No. Is every thread about the boot process, or about hard drives, or about Vista, combined into one thread? No. Even threads that are virtually identical, such as "What are you reading?" appear periodically, unmolested.

Within the past few days, Redwolf posted a political interview. It wasn't just about politics, it was a verbatim interview with a politician. His political post gets unmolested (which it should, since it breaks none of the pre-posted forum rules); my post arbitrarily got herded into a new combination thread, though I did not break any rules.

I remember Karl fondly. He was fair in following his principles, by which he set up KF, and I honor him for it. doffs_cap In particular, I remember a member who was deliberately provocative --but, so long as he did not cross the line of clearly breaking the rules, Karl tolerated him, because Karl was unwilling to exercise his power according to whim, but only to enforce the rules. I even remember Karl warning the offensive member when he was on the edge of breaking the rules, when Karl could easily have been strict and banned him. It was as if Karl was bending over backwards to be fair to a person with unpopular posts. (Eventually, the fellow did break the rules, and was banned.)

When I post about fresh news articles, new information, new events in themes of which I have an interest, each deserves their own heading and treatment; they are not simply further paragraphs in a previous discussion If no one cares to respond to them, they will sink to the bottom quickly enough. No member who is uninterested in the topic need even view the post.

I have been restraining myself in my selections--I discard ten or twenty that have come to my attention for every one that I post. But, instead of being encouraged for my selectivity, posts on some themes are molested, even though I am careful to obey every rule.

I would like Karlsforums to continue as Karl set it up. His legacy deserves no less.kewl_glasses
marymary100

[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 23:03
Please confine all Obama-type non-healthcare threads to this one thread.thankingyou
scholar

[*] posted on 11-7-2009 at 22:58
Here is the article.

Obama's poll numbers are not so good as they used to be. Here, a national newspaper ios actually reporting about Obama in a way that is not praise. For some reporters, his honeymoon period is ending.