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Badgergirl

[*] posted on 28-5-2015 at 08:26
Quote:
Originally posted by LSemmens
I was thinking more along the lines of employment, BG, not as students. However, if parents choose to send their children to a faith based school they must, at least, agree to the fact that their children will be taught with an emphasis on those principles, and may be required to participate accordingly (i.e. attending mass et. al.)


Small price to pay! My school was good becauase it was small (about 800 Students only) and community minded. :)
This, isn't it best to start as you mean to go on? Equal from the start?
LSemmens

[*] posted on 28-5-2015 at 02:17
I was thinking more along the lines of employment, BG, not as students. However, if parents choose to send their children to a faith based school they must, at least, agree to the fact that their children will be taught with an emphasis on those principles, and may be required to participate accordingly (i.e. attending mass et. al.)
Badgergirl

[*] posted on 27-5-2015 at 15:17
Quote:
Originally posted by LSemmens
That was my point, Mary, I could care less what colour you were, or what colour you wear. If you are "qualified" and "able" to do a job then race/sexuality should not come into it, however.... there are circumstances where sex/sexuality or handicap may preclude you. Frinstance, if you ran a school that is faith based, the school should have the right to discriminate against people who were not willing to adhere to the tenets of that faith. Would you be happy employing a blind man to drive your kids to school?


I went to a faith based school with a faith requirement.
I wasn't a Christian and nether were my parents. Little fibs=Good education and a graduating classfull of lapsed Catholics.
There's no such thing as a Christian 11 year old. That's what a good education is there to tidy up!

I'm not a fan of quotas AT ALL.
Hence: I don't like someone getting a job *because* they are gay.
And I don't like a kid getting a better school education *because* they are RC!
LSemmens

[*] posted on 27-5-2015 at 13:17
That was my point, Mary, I could care less what colour you were, or what colour you wear. If you are "qualified" and "able" to do a job then race/sexuality should not come into it, however.... there are circumstances where sex/sexuality or handicap may preclude you. Frinstance, if you ran a school that is faith based, the school should have the right to discriminate against people who were not willing to adhere to the tenets of that faith. Would you be happy employing a blind man to drive your kids to school?
Badgergirl

[*] posted on 27-5-2015 at 10:05
I've a foot in both camps here. It matters to me.
Badgergirl

[*] posted on 27-5-2015 at 10:04
Quote:
Originally posted by LSemmens
That was my point, BG, homosexuals are normal people who have made a choice to "advertise" their sexuality as a "badge of honour". We have a "Gay and Lesbian Mardis Gras" which is well attended and supported, Had someone set up A "Straight and Heterosexual Mardis Gras" you'd hear the complains from the moon!!!

We have similar issues here with some of our Aboriginal Population. Not because of their sexuality, but because of their Race. Some people are just "more equal" than others! Every form we have to fill out has the question "Are you Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander?" Who Cares what your race (sexuality) is when all you are doing is telling the government how much you earned last year!!!!

Sorry, discrimination, against white heterosexual anglo-saxon males is more rife than any other "minority" group (women included) in this world!


The gay-pride parades are still important even if they are a tacky, loud, brash, camp or just plain annoying.
"We're here, we're queer, and I'll wear gold hotpants! " and all that isn't MY kind of thing, but celebrating sexuality to kick back against centures, nay, millenia of opression is a way of saying we still NEED the visibility.

Advertising sexuality? It's a fairly low percentage of the population to find love with....might as well advertise!

It's not saying "We're more equal than you", it's showing people who are still being treated as second class citizens that there is life outside the closet.
There are people who shout (or "scream") loudest in any community or walk of life.
There are show-offs in every community. It doesn't harm anyone at all. Just people who get embarrassed by references to sex.

For every drag queen on a float, I can well imagine there's a shy LGBTQ (They keep adding letters!) teenager grateful for the display, even as they cringe into their hoody!
marymary100

[*] posted on 27-5-2015 at 06:10
It's only now that after decades of white male dominance that people are being allowed to compete on a level playing field. Now that women, Asians, proponents of alternative lifestyles HAVE to be treated equally some white males are not getting what they think is their right. Many white males lack the education or skill when compared with the population at large for the available job - or whatever. In a competitive market you need to have the skill for the job not the colour of the skin.

As to Aboriginal being on a form, it will have originally been put on to rule out discrimination no doubt as a monitoring device. It may seem odd but some treaty or other will have offered Aboriginal people some sort of sweetner to agree to pay taxes on what was afterall their own country. They probably get a tiny rebate that the incomers like you don't get.
LSemmens

[*] posted on 27-5-2015 at 01:06
That was my point, BG, homosexuals are normal people who have made a choice to "advertise" their sexuality as a "badge of honour". We have a "Gay and Lesbian Mardis Gras" which is well attended and supported, Had someone set up A "Straight and Heterosexual Mardis Gras" you'd hear the complains from the moon!!!

We have similar issues here with some of our Aboriginal Population. Not because of their sexuality, but because of their Race. Some people are just "more equal" than others! Every form we have to fill out has the question "Are you Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander?" Who Cares what your race (sexuality) is when all you are doing is telling the government how much you earned last year!!!!

Sorry, discrimination, against white heterosexual anglo-saxon males is more rife than any other "minority" group (women included) in this world!
Badgergirl

[*] posted on 26-5-2015 at 11:38
Quote:
Originally posted by Badgergirl
Quote:
Originally posted by LSemmens
I'm not so sure that that is a good thing, time will tell. I'm not against homosexual relationships per-se (it does go against my religious beliefs but if you do not follow my tenets, then you may, or may not, as the case may be, feel the compunction to follow them) but I fail to see how marriage is going to solve the issues when a simple law change in relation to rights of succession, et al, would have had the same effect. What gets on my craw is the homosexual lobby jumping up and down and screaming how "normal" they are, much like a spoilt child carries on when it does not get its own way. If they just got on with life, most people would care less what they got up to in the bedroom.



Well they *are* Normal.
Correction. We *are* Normal, so someone tells me I'm *NOT* and makes ruling accordingly, I'm afraid I'd make a fuss too!

It's not about what people get up to in the bedroom, but that's the first port of call for anyone claiming tolerance.
It's about the right to be treated the same as everyone else even though a lot of folks think
"I dissagree with what they get up to in the bedroom, so I'll discriminate against them in public"


Expanding on that, your point makes reference to "Getting their own way", which divides people into US and THEM....
Parent and Child.

As though the rights are "handed down" rather than shared.

If you have God as your authority, then I can understand the logic. In your case I see your broader thinking and I respect that.
Thing is, you're discussing this on a human democratic level.
Badgergirl

[*] posted on 26-5-2015 at 11:09
Quote:
Originally posted by LSemmens
I'm not so sure that that is a good thing, time will tell. I'm not against homosexual relationships per-se (it does go against my religious beliefs but if you do not follow my tenets, then you may, or may not, as the case may be, feel the compunction to follow them) but I fail to see how marriage is going to solve the issues when a simple law change in relation to rights of succession, et al, would have had the same effect. What gets on my craw is the homosexual lobby jumping up and down and screaming how "normal" they are, much like a spoilt child carries on when it does not get its own way. If they just got on with life, most people would care less what they got up to in the bedroom.



Well they *are* Normal.
Correction. We *are* Normal, so someone tells me I'm *NOT* and makes ruling accordingly, I'm afraid I'd make a fuss too!

It's not about what people get up to in the bedroom, but that's the first port of call for anyone claiming tolerance.
It's about the right to be treated the same as everyone else even though a lot of folks think
"I dissagree with what they get up to in the bedroom, so I'll discriminate against them in public"
LSemmens

[*] posted on 24-5-2015 at 15:36
I think that is the point, Mary, true Irish Christians (of any abomination) are few and far between. Just because they go to church does not make them an adherent of the tenets of that faith any more than living in a garage makes me a car.
marymary100

[*] posted on 24-5-2015 at 07:46
What is interesting about it is that a Catholic country has voted for equality. This change to the law has been democratically chosen not foisted on the populace. It was a massive turnout and huge majority so it is not a "lobby". The religious beliefs of the church going minority are no longer controlling opinion or law.
LSemmens

[*] posted on 24-5-2015 at 05:38
I'm not so sure that that is a good thing, time will tell. I'm not against homosexual relationships per-se (it does go against my religious beliefs but if you do not follow my tenets, then you may, or may not, as the case may be, feel the compunction to follow them) but I fail to see how marriage is going to solve the issues when a simple law change in relation to rights of succession, et al, would have had the same effect. What gets on my craw is the homosexual lobby jumping up and down and screaming how "normal" they are, much like a spoilt child carries on when it does not get its own way. If they just got on with life, most people would care less what they got up to in the bedroom.
marymary100

[*] posted on 23-5-2015 at 14:54
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