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LSemmens

[*] posted on 10-11-2014 at 00:26
That is the issue, John, apart from meeting all those you hope never to see again, what is the right age?

The definition of death is a moot point as wiki would indicate Did I die? According to those who supposedly know, yes, but I am here, and I cannot comment on my own condition because, at the time, I was "dead".
John_Little

[*] posted on 9-11-2014 at 08:57
In my view, it would be more frightening if there was anything. The concept of an "after life" does not bear well to scrutiny. Imagine all those boring people who want to see you but you hoped you'd never see again!

And how old is everyone? I had this conversation with my sister at my father's funeral. According to her, he would be about 32 and when she goes to heaven, she will be about 32. Imagine an eternity with everyone you've ever known all being 32.
scholar

[*] posted on 9-11-2014 at 03:40
In recent times, people have become used to saying a person has died if certain key body functions have ceased for a span of time (e.g. breathing and heartbeat). I take this to be your meaning in your post.

Hebrews 9:27 "And just as it is appointed for people to die once—and after this, judgment—" seems to me to be the ordinary course of events when a person actually dies. If a person's essential self vacates the body and goes to either heaven or hell, that person has died, and it would be a very exceptional event if that person came back.

Framed this way, I don't think your mother actually died when some body processes stopped and then were resumed; I think the soul/body connection remained, and she did not experience her final outcome.

As to reports of near-death or after-death experiences by others--I do not lump them all together. If some are genuine, that does not mean all are genuine. If some are frauds, that does not mean all are frauds. If some are hallucinations, that does not mean all are hallucinations.
LSemmens

[*] posted on 9-11-2014 at 02:55
Did the nurse comment on the surgery, inasmuch as, "we had to resus you"? I wonder at the spirit of man (in the true sense of the word - for you sexist pedants) in that incidents such as yours occur, John. There must be something to it as you are not the first, nor are you likely to be the last, to report such things.
John Barnes

[*] posted on 9-11-2014 at 00:26
And I remember watching my operation and quoting back later to the nurse who was there what the surgeon said she was dumbfounded. Also going down the tunnel and seeing my Dad who sent me back saying I had responsibilities ahead of me which all came true having to bring up my two grandchildren when my son died, It was all so real but 30 years have dulled the impact jmb
LSemmens

[*] posted on 8-11-2014 at 23:40
That, O'Mary is the 6 million dollar question. I have no memories of my time as a dead man, however, my wife tells me that I came and spoke to her when she was at her lowest point. I said, "I am going to walk with Jesus for a few days and then I'll talk to you". That is what happened, I remained comatose for a few more days and then woke up.

The scriptures state that "the dead in Christ shall rise first and after that comes the judgement". To me, that indicates we will have no interactions until judgement day. Christ also refers to death as "sleeping" so, maybe we do dream, I don't always dream when I am asleep, so when we die, that may also be the case. Some people sleep walk, and even carry on conversations whilst asleep and awake with little or no memory of such occurrences, who knows, death may well be similar.

Any religious belief, especially Christianity, is one of faith, and faith means that we act without knowing the outcome. At the end of the day we all die, and then, when we are truly dead and buried, we'll find out, or not, as the case may be.
marymary100

[*] posted on 8-11-2014 at 22:43
I have delayed posting this for several months because I wanted to get my head around it first.

My mother was a firm believer in God. She believed in the entity and the omnipotence despite 7 still births. She thought that life and toil was a test and that the devil was testing her.

She died for many minutes and was resuscitated. She was terrified because there was nothing. No angels, no heaven, nothing. No bright lights, no sound, nothing.

We had many long talks in the intervening months before she died in February and although it was a notional belief by then, I'd have to say that the heart had gone out of her and someone with certainty became filled with doubt.


So those of you with belief, why would someone who believed experience nothing in those moments when others speak of "experiences"?