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LSemmens

[*] posted on 17-3-2014 at 11:01
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness" 1 John 1:9

It makes no mention of the "confessional" of the Catholic tradition, nor does it make a condition forgiveness to publicly acknowledge our sin. However, if the sin is against an individual, or group, then Numbers has something to say about it :

Num 5:6 Speak unto the children of Israel, When a man or woman shall commit any sin that men commit, to do a trespass against the LORD, and that person be guilty;
Num 5:7 Then they shall confess their sin which they have done: and he shall recompense his trespass with the principal thereof, and add unto it the fifth part thereof, and give it unto him against whom he hath trespassed.
Num 5:8 But if the man have no kinsman to recompense the trespass unto, let the trespass be recompensed unto the LORD, even to the priest; beside the ram of the atonement, whereby an atonement shall be made for him.

In this case, if he has offended another party, then he must atone for his sin to that party. This principle was still in evidence in Jesus time. (Zacchaeus).

This pastor was doing what was right in his heart, the fact that the event occurred at this time could be any number of reasons. There may have been other sin that he was supposed to have repented of, (Annanias and Saphira springs to mind). God may well have delayed his death to allow him to repent. The story of Judas is a point, here. Jesus did not give the disciples a clear answer to his fate, yet it is recorded that he did die subsequently. There are things that occur in this world of which we cannot know the answer. Just occasionally God may reveal what is happening behind the scenes, so to speak, however, Jesus challenges us in John 9 to decide what we should do:
John 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Jesus did heal him, but, that healing would last for a "moment" inasmuch as people would get excited to see the man healed, but would quickly forget the miracle. In this case, Jesus says that God's works were manifest in him. The man, most likely, had served God his entire life, and this was just another "day of service" to him. Then, along came Jesus.

Regardless of what the pastor's end was, the important question is "what will you do with the message that Jesus preached?"

I'll get off my hobby horse, now. :D
Nimuae

[*] posted on 17-3-2014 at 07:36
Ah but - was he confessing or was he bragging?

I see confession as a private matter between the sinner, his/her conscience and God - not as a public exhibition.
waffler

[*] posted on 17-3-2014 at 01:10
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Originally posted by Nimuae
Divine retribution ?


Divine Intervention confused2
scholar

[*] posted on 15-3-2014 at 14:14
Quote:
Originally posted by Nimuae
Divine retribution ?

If the man genuinely repented, it wouldn't seem that divine retribution would fit, years after the fact, when he had just confessed it to the congregation.

I could form a better-informed opinion if I knew the minister and the congregation well. There was a time when many Christians acted as if adultery was very much worse that most sins. Lately, many Christians seem to have sort of over-corrected, as if adultery were like gossip or lying (so common as to be no surprise). If the minister spent some years avoiding or soft-selling the topic of sexual sin because of his own guilt, they may have been led toward a lenient view of that conduct.
Nimuae

[*] posted on 15-3-2014 at 11:45
Divine retribution ?
John_Little

[*] posted on 15-3-2014 at 10:53
Back in the middle ages it was a requirement of the job.
scholar

[*] posted on 14-3-2014 at 22:24
The congregation was crying out support for him, after he confessed to adultery in the past, and he had a heart attack.

The web page has misleading Eastern Orthodox-looking Christian imagery--the congregation was started by this minister who was a Christian college graduate.

Adultery is one sin that is a Biblical disqualification for being a pastor.