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janet

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 21:55
Jehova gets his from a much earlier idea than Santa :)

THough to be honest, one of the people who was a great support to me in the last year is a very right wing, new denomination Christian - I've heard him preach and I'd not like to be on the receiving end of that if I wasn't prepared for it, but I've also never known him to do it when it wasn't appropriate (when I heard him do it, it was in his church).

But a *person* is unlikely to put me off a religion - particularly a large one. If that were the case, I'd have been put off most professions that I've come into contact with - because I can't think of one profession that doesn't have at least one bad apple in it.

What is important to me in a religion is the tenets of that religion.
Badgergirl

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 21:14
15 mins with an evangelical christian is enough to intensley dislike that particular religious person. It's just so rude!

Otherwise, any religion that claims to know what "God" in his bearded* glory wants us to do puts me off big time.

I guess, "Holy Texts" turn me off.

Though I'm happy to read books by spiritual people.

*He seems to have a beard in a lot of religions. The Green Man has a very fetching one made of leaves, and Jehova seems to have stolen his from Santa. (At least, in all the piccys's I've seen!).
janet

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 18:16
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Originally posted by SRD
My point is I think religion is evil and religious belief a complete denial of humanity. So in the same way that I condemn those commit evil elsewhere, so I do with religion.


I have no issue with what you've written here - I don't agree with it, but I respect your right to your beliefs.

I respect the rights of all people to their beliefs. There are times that those beliefs lead to *actions* of which I disapprove and against which I will work however I can - but that doesn't take away their human right to believe as they will.
janet

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 18:14
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Originally posted by Nimuae
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Originally posted by janet
I'd agree there - which is why I teach some of the things I do. But it's not a sentiment shared by all....



Do you teach Religious Studies, Janet? I know that you are very knowledgeable in that field from your answers in here.


I've taught a wide range of courses - most aspects of Christian theology, a course on chaos magick, the history of magic and myth, a course on paganism, I've given presentations on ecopaganism to grad students...
SRD

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 18:12
My point is I think religion is evil and religious belief a complete denial of humanity. So in the same way that I condemn those commit evil elsewhere, so I do with religion.
Nimuae

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 18:03
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Originally posted by janet
I'd agree there - which is why I teach some of the things I do. But it's not a sentiment shared by all....



Do you teach Religious Studies, Janet? I know that you are very knowledgeable in that field from your answers in here.
janet

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 17:56
I'd agree there - which is why I teach some of the things I do. But it's not a sentiment shared by all....
Nimuae

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 17:54
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Originally posted by janet
Yup - the message is clear.

Respect for other's beliefs is given by some of us and not by others.
:}


I believe - that we all should respect others beliefs, whether or not we can see any value/relevance in them for ourselves. It is really interesting to learn about other religions - how/when they began. Some of the newer ones grew surprisingly quickly.
janet

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 17:41
Yup - the message is clear.

Respect for other's beliefs is given by some of us and not by others.
:}
SRD

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 17:39
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Originally posted by janet
Well, apparently we're both insane, anyway.
It's good to see the message is getting through. :D
janet

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 17:11
Well, apparently we're both insane, anyway.
LSemmens

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 11:16
I know that it's a can of worms. I have never considered myself to be "religious" nor would I say the I am a "Christian". I follow the tenets of the Christian Religion but leave it to others to determine whether I am a Christ one!
janet

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 10:55
Good luck, Leigh - a lot of scholars have refused to try to define it. Famously, Smart said that instead of defining religion, it would be better to look at the dimensions involved in them.

However, for definitions, dictionary.com offers among others:
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
LSemmens

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 10:52
A definition of Religion may be appropriate as I am not particularly fond of the carry on over a game of football which is a religion to some! So that turns me off!
janet

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 10:08
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Originally posted by TooCute4Words
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Originally posted by janet
So those of us who are still religious are insane?


It's just a figure-of-speech Janet. Anyone could make that and I did. :)

Just because anyone could make such a comment does not mean that it should have been made.

Had I said that those who do not share my beliefs are insane, there would have been an uproar. And rightly so.
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Wars are waded over 'religious beliefs'. Wars can and have gone on for years and years and years. If you asked them (Why) I would hazard a guess - a God or religion would be at the heart of it. It is a fact which is undesputed.


Wars are waged, not waded, at least ime.

And all of them I've looked into have been about power.

Admittedly, I don't get most of my information from the web, so your mileage may vary.
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Thanks, TCFW. Yet again - those of us who have religious beliefs are expected to show respect for those who do not, but are not accorded that same respect in return.


I called be called 'insane' for believing in God?

?

I have no idea what you mean.
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The difference between you and I, is I wouldn't care really, neither would I spend (any amount of time) trying to get someone to explain themselves, neither would I lure anyone into an (aukward situation) Well, unless I'm on those happy pills brshteethbrshteeth


So you come to a discussion forum but don't expect discussion? And you don't care about the responses that people make?

Fair enough but seems odd to me.
TooCute4Words

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 10:04
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Originally posted by janet
So those of us who are still religious are insane?


It's just a figure-of-speech Janet. Anyone could make that and I did. :) Wars are waded over 'religious beliefs'. Wars can and have gone on for years and years and years. If you asked them (Why) I would hazard a guess - a God or religion would be at the heart of it. It is a fact which is undesputed.

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Thanks, TCFW. Yet again - those of us who have religious beliefs are expected to show respect for those who do not, but are not accorded that same respect in return.


I called be called 'insane' for believing in God?

The difference between you and I, is I wouldn't care really, neither would I spend (any amount of time) trying to get someone to explain themselves, neither would I lure anyone into an (aukward situation) Well, unless I'm on those happy pills brshteethbrshteeth
janet

[*] posted on 26-3-2008 at 09:11
So those of us who are still religious are insane?

Thanks, TCFW. Yet again - those of us who have religious beliefs are expected to show respect for those who do not, but are not accorded that same respect in return.
TooCute4Words

[*] posted on 25-3-2008 at 20:16
Spending several hours reading all the stuff on the web regarding all the Wars which get caused over religion.

Thats enough to put any sane person off the subject :(

EDIT: I'd say years of reading brshteeth
Nimuae

[*] posted on 25-3-2008 at 17:58
What is the one thing that would 'turn you off' from religion ?

Mine is the current Arch Bishop of Canterbury - such an egoist !
He will live a long life though - God would be too scared to invite him into Heaven !