|| posted on 15-12-2007 at 13:13
|Thanks for the links Janet. They seem to refer to a speech in 1986 which would make this "prophecy" a modern one. I'd be interested to see if this
supposition can be discounted and it is, in fact, attributable to a much older teaching, which, to my mind, it could well be.
|| posted on 14-12-2007 at 19:52
|I do believe THIS, related prophecy, predates the PUBLISHED Native American version I cited.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
Then again, some people wouldn't call Uncle Albert a wise man, either.
|| posted on 14-12-2007 at 17:49
|It's been around a while... here
in various forms and places....
|| posted on 14-12-2007 at 16:46
|The date at the top was when it was sent to the lady who passed it onto me.
From my understanding, the original prophecy predates the white man coming to North America.
Like most oral Native American works, it was passed down through the years and added to.
I sent an email to her asking for any knowledge she might have on it. She hosts a cable access show for Native Americans in the Twin Cities area. So
if she doesn't know off the top of her head, she knows someone who does.
I'll post any reply I get from her.
|| posted on 14-12-2007 at 15:08
|Which was my point, John, and the reasoning for my question.
|| posted on 14-12-2007 at 13:58
|That to me as has as much validity as any obscure bible quotation, its very essence is truth , jmb
|| posted on 14-12-2007 at 13:49
|When was this written? Is the date at the start correct, or is that just the date it was published? Much of it is valid observation of recent history,
and, as such, if it pre-dates many of those events, is very impressive indeed. If it is as current as the date indicates, then, while it is a very
clever piece of work, it would tend to diminish the "prophetic" imagery presented. If you understand my thinking.
|| posted on 13-12-2007 at 21:15
So did I.
I found it both interesting and impressive.
|| posted on 13-12-2007 at 20:31
I did... and thanks.
|| posted on 13-12-2007 at 19:32
|If you can make it all the way through the above:
1. You have an open mind, which is seen as the seed of wisdom in many tribes.
2. You are someone who searches for the truth, no matter where the path may lead.
This was sent to me by a very wise woman in Minn. Take from it the wisdom it contains or not. That is your decision to make.
|| posted on 13-12-2007 at 19:28
|From: Spirit Hawk
Date: Dec 13, 2007 11:53 AM
I have told you of this before, but it has been some time since then. Many will get to read it now that haven't as yet. I'm sure those who have will
enjoy reading it again. Some take words such as these as nothing more than that...just words. But isn't is strange then, that so much of what our
ancestors said would come to be, has actually come to pass? For myself, I choose to take these words to heart.....Lee
This is what I was told as a bot......There was the cycle of the mineral, the rock. There was the cycle of the plant. And now we are in the cycle of
the animal coming to the end of that and beginning the cycle of the human being. When we get into the cycle of the human being, the highest and
greatest powers that we have will be released to us.
At the beginning of this cycle of time, long ago, the Great Spirit made an appearance and gathered the peoples of this earth together, and said to the
human beings, "I'm going to send you to four directions, and over time I'm going to change you to four colors, but I'm going to give you some
teachings, and you will call these the Original Teachings; when you come back together with each other, you will share these so that you can live and
have peace on earth, and a great civilization will come about. During the cycle of time, I'm going to give each of you two stone tablets. When I give
you those stone tablets, don't cast them upon the ground. If any of the sisters and brothers cast their tablets on the ground, not only will human
beings have a hard time, but almost the earth itself will die."
And so He gave each of us a responsibility, and we call that the Guardianship. To the Indian people, the red people, He gave the Guardianship of the
Earth. We were to learn during this cycle of time the teachings of the earth, the plants that grow from the earth, the foods that you can eat, and the
herbs that heal so that, when we came back together with the other sisters and brothers, we could share this knowledge with them. Something good was
to happen on the earth.
To the South He gave the yellow race of people the Guardianship of the Wind. They were to learn about the sky and breathing and how to take that
within ourselves for spiritual advancement. They were to share that with us at this time.
To the West He gave the black race of people the Guardianship of the Water. They were to learn the teachings of the water, which is the chief of the
elements, being the most humble and the most powerful. The elders have told me that the black people would bring the teachings of the water.
To the North He gave the white race of people the Guardianship of the Fire. If you look at the center of many of the things they do, you will find the
fire. They say a light bulb is the white man's fire. If you look at the center of a car you will find a spark. If you look at the center of the
airplane and the train you will find the fire. The fire consumes, and also moves. This is why it was the white sisters and brothers who began to move
upon the face of the earth and reunite us as a human family.
And so a long time passed, and the Great Spirit gave each of the four races two stone tablets. Ours are kept at the Hopi Reservation in Arizona at
Four Corners Area on Third Mesa. I talked to people from the black race, and their stone tablets are at the foot of Mount Kenya. They are kept by the
Kukuyu Tribe. I was at an Indian spiritual gathering about 15 years ago. A medicine man from South Dakota put a beaded medicine wheel in the middle of
the gathering. It had the four colors from the four directions; he asked the people, "Where is this from?" They said, "Probably Montana, or South
Dakota, maybe Saskatchewan." He said, "This is from Kenya." It was beaded just like ours, with the same colors.
The stone tablets of the yellow race of people are kept by the Tibetans. If you went straight through the Hopi Reservation to the other side of the
world, you would come out in Tibet. The Tibetan word for sun is the Hopi word for moon, and the Hopi word for sun is the Tibetan word for moon.
The guardians of the traditions of the people of Europe are the Swiss. In Switzerland, they still have a day when each family brings out its mask.
They still know the colors of the families, and they still know the symbols, some of them. Each of these four peoples happen to live in the
Each of the four races went to their directions and learned their teachings. It was in Newsweek not long ago that eight out of ten foods that people
eat on the earth are developed here in the western hemisphere because that was our Guardianship -- to learn the teachings of the earth and the things
that grow from the earth. We were given a sacred handshake to show, when we came back together as sisters and brothers, that we still remembered the
It was indicated on the stone tablets that the Hopis had that the first sisters and brothers who would come back to them would come as turtles across
the land. They would be human beings, but they would come as turtles. So when the time came close, the Hopis were at a special village to welcome the
turtles that would come across the land. They got up in the morning and looked out at the sunrise. They looked out across the desert, and they saw the
Spanish conquistadors coming, covered in armor, like turtles across the land. So this was them. So they went out to the Spanish man, and they extended
their hand, hoping for the handshake. But into the hand the Spanish man dropped a trinket. And so word spread throughout North America that there was
going to be a hard time, that maybe some of the brothers and sisters had forgotten the sacredness of all things and all the human beings were going to
suffer for this on the earth.
So tribes began to send people to the mountains to have visions to try to figure out how they could survive. At that time there were 100,000 cities in
the Mississippi Valley alone, called the mound civilization: cities built on great mounds. Those mounds are still there. They began to try to learn to
live off the land because they knew a hard time was going to come. They began to send people to have visions to see how we could survive this time.
They were told in the prophecies that we should try to remind all the people that would come here of the sacredness of all things. If we could do
that, then there would be peace on earth. But if we did not do that, if we had not come together as a human family, the Great Spirit would grab the
earth with His hand and shake it.
The elders on the west coast prophesied that they would then begin to build a black ribbon. And on this black ribbon there would move a bug. And when
you begin to see this bug moving on the land, that was the sign for the First Shaking of the Earth. The First Shaking of the Earth would be so violent
that this bug would be shaken off the earth into the air and it would begin to move and fly in the air. And by the end of this shaking this bug will
be in the air around the world. Behind it would be a trail of dirt and eventually the whole sky of the entire earth would become dirty from these
trails of dirt, and this would cause many diseases that would get more and more complicated. So the bug moving on the land, of course it's easy to
see now. In 1908 the Model-T Ford was mass produced for the first time. So the elders knew the First Shaking of the Earth was about to come about --
that was the First World War.
In the First World War the airplane came into wide usage for the first time. That was that bug moving into the sky. And so they knew something very
important would happen. There would be an attempt to make peace on earth on the west coast of this land, and so the elders began to watch for this.
They began to hear that there was going to be a League of Nations in San Francisco, so the elders gathered in Arizona around 1920 or so, and they
wrote a letter to Woodrow Wilson. They asked if the Indian people could be included in the League of Nations.
The United States Supreme Court had held that a reservation is a separate and semi-sovereign nation, not a part of the United States but protected by
it. This became a concern because people didn't want the reservations to become more and more separate. They didn't want them to be considered
nations. So they did not write back, and the Native people were left out of the League of Nations so that circle was incomplete. In the League of
Nations circle there was a southern door, the yellow people; there was a western door, the black people; there was a northern door, the white people;
but the eastern door was not attended. The elders knew that peace would not come on the earth until the circle of humanity is complete, until all the
four colors sat in the circle and shared their teachings, then peace would come on earth.
So they knew things would happen. Things would speed up a little it. There would be a cobweb built around the earth, and people would talk across this
cobweb. When this talking cobweb, the telephone, was built around the earth, a sign of life would appear in the east, but it would tilt and bring
death (the swastika of the Nazis). It would come with the sun. But the sun itself would rise one day, not in the east but in the west (the rising sun
of the Japanese Empire). So the elders said when you see the sun rising in the east, and you see the sign of life reversed and tilted in the east, you
know that the Great Death is to come upon the earth, and now the Great Spirit will grab the earth again in His hand and shake it, and this shaking
will be worse than the first. So the sign of life reversed and tilted, we call that the Swastika, and the rising sun in the east was the Rising Sun of
Japan. These two symbols are carved in stone in Arizona. When the elders saw these two flags, they knew that these were the signs that the earth was
to be shaken again.
The worse misuse of the Guardianship of the fire is called the gourd of ashes. They said the gourd of ashes will fall from the air. It will make the
people like blades of grass in the prairie fire, and things will not grow for many seasons. The atomic bomb, the gourd of ashes, it was the best-kept
secret in the history of the US. The elders wanted to speak about it in 1920.
They would have spoken of it and foretold its coming if they could have entered into the League of Nations. The elders tried to contact President
Roosevelt to ask him not to use the gourd of ashes because it would have a great effect on the earth and eventually cause even greater destruction and
a the Third Shaking of the Earth, the Third World War.
So they knew after the Second Shaking of the Earth when they saw the gourd of ashes fall from the sky, there would be an attempt to make peace on the
other side of this land. And because the peace attempt on the west coast had failed, they would build a special house on the east coast of this Turtle
Island, and all the nations and peoples of the earth would come to this house, and it would be called the House of Mica, and it would shine like the
mica on the desert shines. So the elders began to see they were building the United Nations made out of glass that reflects like the mica on the
desert so they knew this was the House of Mica, and all the peoples of the earth should go to it. So they met and talked about this. They said that in
the 1920's they had written and they had not been responded to, so they said this time we'd better go to the front door of the House of Mica because
things might get a lot worse.
So elders representing a number of tribes drove to New York City. When the United Nations opened, they went to the front door of the house of Mica and
they said these words, 'We represent the indigenous people of North America, and we wish to address the nations of the Earth. We're going to give
you four days to consider whether or not we will be allowed to speak.'
They retreated to one of the Six Nations Reserves in New York State. Four days later they came back, and I believe the nations of the earth heard that
the Indians had come to the door. And they voted to let the Indians in. They wanted to hear what they had to say. But the United States is one of five
nations of the United Nations with a veto power, and still they were concerned because this time the Native sovereignty was even stronger. And I
believe they vetoed the entrance of the Native people.
So then they knew other things would happen on the Earth. So they retreated to the Six Nations Reserve, and they talked about this, and they said the
time is really getting close now -- 1949. They said, "We're going to divide the United States into four sections, and each year we're going to have
a gathering. We're going to call these the White Roots of Peace Gatherings." They began to have these around 1950. And they authorized certain
people to speak in English for the first time about these prophecies.
One that I used to listen to many times, over and over, was Thomas Banyaca. He was authorized to speak in English about what was on the stone tablets,
and he has dedicated his life to doing this. And they began to tell us at these gatherings, "You're going to see a time in your lifetime when the
human beings are going to find the blueprint that makes us." They call that now DNA, deoxyribonucleic acid. They said, "They're going to cut this
blueprint." They call that now genetic splicing. And they said, "They're going to make new animals upon the earth, and they're going to think
these are going to help us. And it's going to seem like they do help us. But maybe the grandchildren and great-grandchildren are going to suffer."
The elders said long ago, "They will release these things, and they will use them." This is going to be released not too long from now. They are
making new animals. The elders talked about this. They said, "You will see new animals, and even the old animals will come back, animals that people
thought had disappeared. They will find them here and there. They'll begin to reappear."
They said, "You're going to see a time when the eagle will fly its highest in the night, and it will land upon the moon. And at that time, many of
the Native people will be sleeping," which symbolically means they have lost their teachings. We're at that time now. The Eagle has landed on the
moon, 1969. When that spaceship landed, they sent back the message, "The Eagle has landed." Traditionally, Native people from clear up in the Inuit
region have shared with us this prophecy, clear down to the Quechuas in South America.
At this time you're going to see that things will speed up, that people on the earth will move faster and faster. Grandchildren will not have time
for grandparents. Parents will not have time for children. It will seem like time is going faster and faster. The elders advised us that, as things
speed up, you yourself should slow down. The faster things go, the slower you go. Because there's going to come a time when the earth is going to be
shaken a third time. The Great Spirit has shaken the earth two times: the First and Second World Wars to remind us that we are a human family, to
remind us that we should have greeted each other as brothers and sisters. We had a chance after each shaking to come together in a circle that would
have brought peace on earth, but we missed that.
Tonight they were talking on the news about the sign for the Third Shaking of the Earth. They said they're going to build what the elders called the
house in the sky. In the 1950's they talked about his: they will build a house and throw it in the sky. When you see people living in the sky on a
permanent basis, you will know the Great Spirit is about to grab the earth, this time not with one hand, but with both hands. When this house is in
the sky, the Great Spirit is going to shake the Earth a third time, and whoever dropped that gourd of ashes, upon them it is going to drop. They say
at that time there will be villages in this land so great that when you stand in the villages you will not be able to see out, and in the prophecies
these are called villages of stone, or prairies of stone. And they said the stone will grow up from the ground, and you will not be able to see beyond
At the center of each and every one of these villages will be Native people, and they will walk as hollow shells upon a prairie of stone. They said
hollow shells, which means they will have lost any of their traditional understandings; they will be empty within. They said that, after the Eagle
lands on the moon, some of these people will begin to leave these prairies of stone and come home and take up some of the old ways and begin to make
themselves reborn, because it's a new day. But many will not. And they said there's going to come a time when in the morning the sun is going to
rise, and this village of stone will be there, and in the evening there would just be steam coming from the ground. They will be as steam. And in the
center of many of those villages of stone, when they turn to steam, the Native people will turn to steam also because they never woke up and left the
They say there's going to be the Third Shaking of the Earth. It's not going to be a good thing to see, but we will survive it. We will survive it.
And when we survive it, there's going to be another attempt to make a circle of the human beings on the earth. And this time the Native people will
not have to petition to join but will be invited to enter the circle because they say the attitude toward us will have changed by then, and people
will let us into the circle, and all the four colors of the four directions will share their wisdom, and there will be a peace on earth. This is
The prophecies are always either/or. We could have come together way back there in 1565, and we could have had a great civilization, but we didn't.
Always along the path of these prophecies, we could have come together. We still could.
If we could stop the racial and religious disharmony, we would not have to go through this third shaking. The elders say the chance of that is pretty
slim. It seems to me like it's pretty slim, too. But they say what we can do is we can cushion it so it won't be quite as bad. How do we do this? We
do this by sharing the teaching that will reunite us......So says, Spirit Hawk