|| posted on 3-1-2018 at 00:47
|There will always be those for whom the capacity to work is beyond their control. It is not those to whom my comments referred.
|| posted on 2-1-2018 at 03:17
I don't have the numbers, but there is more than a few individuals who have never worked, and "suffer" from both a very low IQ as well as mental
"disturbances" [but not to a degree that they "need' in-patient care]. They are mostly non-violent. They live in SRO (single room occupancy)
quarters, and some in licensed HFA (homes for the aged, where in practice age for admission is irrelevant--they are in fact glorified boarding homes
where no one is related to anyone). Some of them have a fairly large population AKA census. They have not waived any of their civil or legal rights
to live in such places. The costs are born by the state which in turn a portion is reimbursed by the federal govt, and each one gets a very small
stipend. Their "award" includes health insurance. Some towns have "activity" centers for them. They are oriented to time and place and don't
seem to ever get lost as they go about. I suppose they could do menial work, but they're not interested and the state is not very proficient at
organizing and motivating (and all important follow up) such individuals. I'm not current on their 'typical' family involvement (if they have any)
and I will leave out that important information; clearly some of them with families want nothing to do with them, AND, most importantly, I suspect
their siblings tend to be dysfunctional, and any attempt at reuniting them is fraught with peril, i. e., it's no accident that they've lost touch
with one another.
|| posted on 2-1-2018 at 00:38
|Every country has those groups, Jack. Though Americans do seem to figure in people's thinking when that sort of thing is mentioned, so you may have a
preponderance of such "invisible" people. Which is anachronistic in its own right because "those" people seem to take great delight in advertising
MY thinking, re government payments, is that you must have contributed by being in the work force for a pre-determined time before qualifying. Whether
that is paid work or voluntary is irrelevant, as long as you have "worked" for your benefit.
|| posted on 1-1-2018 at 22:03
|There is a group of individuals/families in the USA whose numbers amount to nothing more than a guess who are not about to ever give the govt a bona
fide mailing address for the 'stipend', or as an alternative, a direct deposit bank account. Included in this are those who would see such a
program as a way of govt tracking their citizens.
Govt has a very traditional preconceived view/notion (and naïve) of individual and family life, and the values by which such people live by. I would
add that on the periphery of this group are family members who no one has any idea where they are, to include whether they are dead or alive.
The "people" who conceive (and administer) such programs don't come from such groups, and don't ever interact with them in their private lives;
furthermore they find it inconceivable (beyond belief) that anyone would want to live like that.
And I'm not just talking about so called "homeless" people either. I think "alienated" would be a more appropriate label.
|| posted on 1-1-2018 at 02:24
|I know quite a few people who left the earn-your-way model of living and have become slaves to drugs, drunkenness, and sex. Video games and
television fill large blocks of time for some people, who otherwise could be doing something that would be helpful to others.
A work schedule does a lot of good for people. It generally requires some personal hygiene, some standard of clothing, some discipline to regulate
your schedule with respect to sleep and wakefulness, some self-control with respect toward treating your boss and fellow workers with some decency,
some exercise (even if only to get to work and return home).
Some of us are too broken to keep most jobs. But, for those who can do one, it can be quite beneficial.
|| posted on 31-12-2017 at 17:50
Then there is the right to execute everyone over age 30 alternative.
|| posted on 31-12-2017 at 13:35
|Tell you what. With the increasing acceleration of Artificial Intelligence, we will need to think of a way to keep the unemployed from revolting
against the system. We all have a right to live. To eat. To have a comfortable shelter etc etc. And if take away their means of earning it, we
will either have to pay them to stay at home or face conflict and anarchy.
|| posted on 31-12-2017 at 11:22
|I think it is more about facing up to the fact that very few people will be able to work once things become fully done by AI. There's hardly a job
that is safe. If the wealth that is available is evenly distributed then it could act as a spur to join the gigging economy or to go to learn new
things without being worried about falling out of the benefit system. Obviously folk like me who have worked for decades would be raging if we lost
out on future pensions for example but cognisance needs to be taken of other ways of doing things. Pilot schemes are the only way to see if things get
better or worse. Finland has been trying this for a while but the jury is still out.
And Leigh, the beggar's wage idea has been round since the year quoted in the OP. It is trialling it that is new.
|| posted on 31-12-2017 at 10:11
|Frankly I think it is a silly idea - there are enough people who think the world owes them a living already. Why add more? I would review the whole
'benefit' system - kick out some of the idle scroungers and make them earn their hand-outs by sweeping street, weeding parks etc., Restore the idea
that money has to be worked for !!
|| posted on 31-12-2017 at 05:17
|I haven't read the entire article, but this has been around the block a few times, even down here. In theory, the idea is good, in practice, I
wonder. For those who need it, it may not be enough, for those who don't, why should they get it? The intent is to allow those on low incomes to
survive. In theory, that is good, but given that all will be given the "assistance", cuts to other govt services may well occur, to the detriment of
those who truly need it. I dare say that prices will also rise across the board to "maintain the status quo".
|| posted on 30-12-2017 at 22:24