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John_Little

[*] posted on 12-12-2017 at 10:19
Actually, if my recollection of history and the Balfour agreement is correct, it was Britain that "gave" Palestine to the Jews. This was following a terrorist campaign by the Zionists who, at the time, were every bit as bad as your militant Muslims today or the IRA back in the 70s.

The Balfour Declaration Nov 1917) proposed allocating a limited amount of land to the new land of Israel, but with safeguards for the majority Palestinian population:-

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The declaration called for safeguarding the civil and religious rights for the Palestinian Arabs, who composed the vast majority of the local population, and also the rights of the Jewish communities in other countries outside of Palestine. The British government acknowledged in 1939 that the local population's views should have been taken into account, and recognised in 2017 that the declaration should have called for protection of the Palestinian Arabs' political rights.



But at the end of the British Mandate, even as the British army were packing up to leave, the Jews conducted a progrom against the Palestinians - chasing them away and taking over their property.

It is true that the the Arabs have never been happy about this and did retaliate by way of a number of wars waged against Israel. But can you really blame them for being unhappy? And whilst its true that Palestinian acts of violent resistance continue, their acts are largely ineffectual and pale into insignificance when compared to the results of Israeli military retaliation. Many more people have been killed by Israeli bombing raids than by Hamas rockets and whilst its also true that a number of localised Palestinian attacks have killed innocent people in Israel, many innocent Palestians have also been killed by militant Israelis.

It is a fact that land is invaded and stolen by invaders. But there is a massive difference in accepting something that happened a thousand years and many generations ago to something that happened in your own lifetime or at least the lifetime of your parents.
LSemmens

[*] posted on 11-12-2017 at 23:21
We could continue around in circles, let us agree to disagree, and leave it at that.
marymary100

[*] posted on 11-12-2017 at 18:58
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Originally posted by LSemmens
The land that they occupied has been land that they "won" in wars started by those who wanted to wipe Israel off the map.


Not correct. There were originally 10s of thousands of Jews settled in an area to be known as Israel. There are now around 6 million Jews who have settled and pushed back the indigenous population. The push backs are aggressive and religion-based. Far from being "poor wee dispossessed folk, let's give them some peaceful land" the Israeli settlers are violent land grabbers who do not give credence to those who may well have wanted a 2-party State. Hamas is not all Arabs but their gains at the ballot box have not translated into autonomy which is really all that they want. Making Jerusalem the Israeli capital will not help to bring peace. The last time there was a hope of peace imo was when Yitzhak Rabin, Bill Clinton, and Yasser Arafat met during the Oslo Accords on 13 September 1993.
LSemmens

[*] posted on 11-12-2017 at 12:25
The land that they occupied has been land that they "won" in wars started by those who wanted to wipe Israel off the map.
marymary100

[*] posted on 11-12-2017 at 06:49
They haven't stuck to the land they were given though, have they? They have over the past 60 years gradually taken away more and more from their Arab neighbours. If America didn't fund their governments and back them up every time they stole another track of land the arguments could have been resolved decades ago.
LSemmens

[*] posted on 11-12-2017 at 03:10
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It is land stolen from the Arabs......
who stole it from...., who stole it from..... ad infinitum. Egypt et al had no real interest in the land until Israel was allowed to become a state again under the Balfour accord (which all sides were relatively happy with). It was only when Israel was given autonomy in 1948 did the Arab states state that they would wipe Israel off the map.
John_Little

[*] posted on 10-12-2017 at 10:26
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Originally posted by scholar
It's not as if shooting rockets into Israel was an expression of affection and willingness to live side-by-side in peace.


Or using live rounds to disperse protesters killing three of them.
marymary100

[*] posted on 10-12-2017 at 09:05
It's not their country, nor yours to decide about either. It is land stolen from the Arabs. The blood spilled is on the hands of those who perpetuate and support that theft. One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. Moshe Dayan was a terrorist to those who lived in the area. Just because he won the battle doesn't negate the fact it wasn't his land to begin with.
scholar

[*] posted on 9-12-2017 at 22:29
How many of you are aware that the last three office-holders of the presidency each declared that Jerusalem was the capital of Israel, but took no action to match their words?

This page has a video clip in which you can hear each of them, in their own words.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/12/08/president_trump_tweets_montage_of_past_presidents_supporting_jerusalem_as_cap ital_of_israel.html

Are you aware that a U.S. law was passed in 1995 which required the U.S. State Department to move the embassy to Jerusalem?

After all these years, Trump is finally following the law on this point.

I don't think that enemies of Israel who have advocated their annihilation will became less friendly because the U.S. is willing to accept Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. It's not as if shooting rockets into Israel was an expression of affection and willingness to live side-by-side in peace.
marymary100

[*] posted on 8-12-2017 at 17:07
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Originally posted by Katzy
I'm not sure that's entirely correct, Leigh. I think the British (Balfour?) had a big say, in that, and we handled it as we always did, back then. Heavy-handedly and looking at our own interests, not anyone else's.

I have a feeling that this cr@p will continue, until one side destroys the other, sadly.
ENTIRELY SO...
Katzy

[*] posted on 8-12-2017 at 10:43
I'm not sure that's entirely correct, Leigh. I think the British (Balfour?) had a big say, in that, and we handled it as we always did, back then. Heavy-handedly and looking at our own interests, not anyone else's.

I have a feeling that this cr@p will continue, until one side destroys the other, sadly.
LSemmens

[*] posted on 8-12-2017 at 09:07
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Originally posted by marymary100
And as long as there are "leaders" who support financially and on the world's stage those who steal the lands of others, it will ever be thus. POTUS is still a maroon.
And where do you draw the line? If you are going to "apologise" for such historical events then you'll not stop apologising. Until we all learn to live as one with NO BORDERS, then this will continue to be the case where one group considers itself dispossessed from their ancestral homes. In this particular case, Israel was given lands after WWII and then the "Arab Liberation Army" and Egypt, Syria and Iraq attempted to wipe Israel off the map, losing much ground in the process. Israel "won the land fair and square", i.e. in war, like most other "nations". Israel has "stolen" no more than any other nation. In fact, Historically, Israel has occupied its lands for far longer than any of the other "civilised" (i.e. western) nations.
marymary100

[*] posted on 8-12-2017 at 06:40
And as long as there are "leaders" who support financially and on the world's stage those who steal the lands of others, it will ever be thus. POTUS is still a maroon.
JackInCT

[*] posted on 7-12-2017 at 23:39
Each and every one of us on this entire planet lives in a geographical place that was stolen by violence/war multiple times over. The operative phrase is that it was stolen 'fair and square'. No one, as individuals/society/nation state who lives where they are now is about to 'move' since there is now zero uninhabited land left on this planet (that can support life). Whatever Mr T is guilty of, he has an entire planet of co-conspirators who are equally culpable. Military victors fell that they have earned the 'right' to thumb their noses at everyone else, at least as long until the next war challenges their domination. So it goes for homo sapiens.
Katzy

[*] posted on 7-12-2017 at 15:24
'course, just coz idiot-knickers says something IS, doesn't mean that it REALLY is.

As we've noticed, many times before.

I'm past despair, where he's concerned. I joined Twatter, just to troll him. :D
John_Little

[*] posted on 6-12-2017 at 21:27
That was easy!
Nimuae

[*] posted on 6-12-2017 at 21:13
Something beginning with "T" ??
marymary100

[*] posted on 6-12-2017 at 20:21
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42259443