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the bear

[*] posted on 17-10-2008 at 23:30
They ( traffic wardens) disgorge from thier office on the four bridges in Birkenhead like grey coated praying mantis. Eager to get at thier victims. They no doubt have already placed a tote wager for who gives the most tickets before end of shift.

A tree blew down in a storm and collapsed on to a car, the fire brigade assisted the police in freeing 3 occupants of the vehicle. When the huge tree had been cut up and removed by the council the wrecked car was pushed up on to the grass verge to clear the road.
The driver returned to the wrecked car when he was released from hospital only to find parking ticket taped to the bodywork as the windscreen no longer existed.

What rule did the traffic warden apply to induce him to ticket a piece of scrap metal.
It certainly wasnt exercised with common sense.


Regards the Bear
Dreamweaver

[*] posted on 17-10-2008 at 23:07
Quote:
Originally posted by SRD
Some while ago I had cause to park somewhere I wasn't allowed to. There is a system whereby one can apply to the authorities for a permit so to do, that permit is issued, and is to be displayed properly, and if done means that wardens do not issue tickets. I do not think it unlikely that BT know of this system. So we can assume several options:
1. The warden wasn't aware of the system, in which case no punishment willbe applied.
2. It was an emergency in which case there will be arrangements between BT and the parking authorities for punishments not to be imposed, in which case the BT engineers ought to know this and shouldn't waste their (very expensive) time arguing with the warden.
3. BT failed to apply for a special parking licence in which case they deserve the punishment.


So are you saying you knew of the system and worked it to your benefit,( good for you personally but what of us "the other tax/fine payer/ordinary workperson?)
Should someone fixing/repairing our "outdated lines etc" need to apply for these somewhat elongated and conflated byelaws and tedious regulations be passed?

Or they "should have known" of the system? Either way. what happened to finding a minimal cost to all concerned?

But hey, good for you for bypassing the law (by your know how) but forgive the mere mortals trying to help others.

Quote:
It was an emergency in which case there will be arrangements between BT and the parking authorities for punishments not to be imposed, in which case the BT engineers ought to know this and shouldn't waste their (very expensive) time arguing with the warden.


Erm? so your saying the warden was equally advised of the laws/rules?
Obviously not in this case? Maybe a "jobsworth case here?
the bear

[*] posted on 17-10-2008 at 22:56
Quote:
Originally posted by SRD
Some while ago I had cause to park somewhere I wasn't allowed to. There is a system whereby one can apply to the authorities for a permit so to do, that permit is issued, and is to be displayed properly, and if done means that wardens do not issue tickets. I do not think it unlikely that BT know of this system. So we can assume several options:
1. The warden wasn't aware of the system, in which case no punishment willbe applied.
2. It was an emergency in which case there will be arrangements between BT and the parking authorities for punishments not to be imposed, in which case the BT engineers ought to know this and shouldn't waste their (very expensive) time arguing with the warden.
3. BT failed to apply for a special parking licence in which case they deserve the punishment.


You cant expect ticket wardens to apply common sense when they are on a quota system which pays them bonus.


Regards the Bear
SRD

[*] posted on 17-10-2008 at 13:23
Some while ago I had cause to park somewhere I wasn't allowed to. There is a system whereby one can apply to the authorities for a permit so to do, that permit is issued, and is to be displayed properly, and if done means that wardens do not issue tickets. I do not think it unlikely that BT know of this system. So we can assume several options:
1. The warden wasn't aware of the system, in which case no punishment willbe applied.
2. It was an emergency in which case there will be arrangements between BT and the parking authorities for punishments not to be imposed, in which case the BT engineers ought to know this and shouldn't waste their (very expensive) time arguing with the warden.
3. BT failed to apply for a special parking licence in which case they deserve the punishment.
LSemmens

[*] posted on 17-10-2008 at 12:59
I agree, over zealous officers of the court, be they parking inspectors, or traffic police, are a right "you know what" in the proverbial "you know where"!
scholar

[*] posted on 16-10-2008 at 20:57
There are similar problems in Chicago.

I remember a time when a man parked in an area where parking was forbidden until 6:00 P.M. The man parked there, after 6:00, and left. When he returned, there was a parking ticket under his windshield.

There is a place on the parking ticket, where the officer writes the date and time at which the ticket is issued. "6:11 PM" it said. The driver of the vehicle got out of paying the fine, but it was some trouble to him.
the bear

[*] posted on 16-10-2008 at 20:48
Quote:
Originally posted by LSemmens
I have had parking tickets withdrawn just by writing an appropriate letter to the appropriate authority. In this case, I think BT should be issuing the traffic warden with a bill for the time wasted by its employees fighting this ludicrous fine.


I believe quite a large percentage of tickets are challenge and rescinded on writing to the issuer. Surely it would be better if the ticket wardens applied a modicum of common sense in the first place.

Regards the Bear
LSemmens

[*] posted on 16-10-2008 at 14:29
I have had parking tickets withdrawn just by writing an appropriate letter to the appropriate authority. In this case, I think BT should be issuing the traffic warden with a bill for the time wasted by its employees fighting this ludicrous fine.
Daz

[*] posted on 16-10-2008 at 09:20
Yes, but she had proof that she paid, so would have got off at the appeal hearing...

It's very, very difficult to get a ticket withdrawn, and most people end up taking the hit, because it's not worth the hassle. (Which is what the Council/Govt' are banking* on)

* Literally - Pun intended ;)
janet

[*] posted on 16-10-2008 at 09:15
I suspect that BT will respond by getting on to the warden's supervisor and making the point that this was, indeed, ridiculous.

I've seen this kind of thing happen before - a woman chased a warden down, pointed out she DID have a permit clearly visible in the car, in spite of having just been given a ticket for not having one. She managed to find the supervisor at the same time - who listened, looked, and took the warden off to one side, taking the ticket with him.
Daz

[*] posted on 16-10-2008 at 09:13
Unbelievable, and utterly ridiculous, but it sounds about right I'm afraid.

How will BT respond, as I think some employers make the drivers/workers involved pay the fines...? Any idea...?
Dreamweaver

[*] posted on 16-10-2008 at 08:44
Whilst walking along The Strand in Liverpool, I saw two BT transit vans parked back to back on the pavement.
They were working on some wiring below the pavement.
The pavements are at least twelve feet wide and the road is a double three lane bottleneck(constantly busy) leading in and out of the City.

They had computer equipment from their vans hooked up to the wiring.
Along comes a traffic warden and issues both vans with tickets. The workmen were trying to reason with him, but he just carried on writing the tickets.

People (including myself) had stopped to watch this lunacy at work.
The workmen just couldn't make him understand that had they parked roadside they would have A/ Blocked one lane of the road and B/ closed off a pedestrian way forcing people to cross the six lane road to rejoin the pavement at the next crossing.

As it was they were parked right next to a building not causing any disruption at all.

He issued the tickets and left...