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Badgergirl

[*] posted on 9-10-2008 at 16:58
My mother works in Child Protection.

Yes, you DO get female peodos. So yes, I am always wary if a child is on his/her own. I know my intentions, so I'll go and help. But I am righter than you'd think to be suspicious of ether gender.

Rantzen was right, it ought to be about protecting the Child, not "Backing yourself up".
janet

[*] posted on 6-10-2008 at 22:23
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Originally posted by TooCute4Words
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Originally posted by janet
- and we've only ourselves to blame.

Blaming the government makes no sense at all.


"People" are to blame.

The Government are people and so are we.

Finding a way out of this mess is impossible. Esther Rantzen has made an effort, but that won't change anything.

Talking about "children" and how we should help them can win an election. It gets votes more than helping the pentioners, sadly :(


THIS is the problem.

You see something in society - in a representative democracy, of which you are a member - that you don't like.

And you say that there is nothing that can be done.
TooCute4Words

[*] posted on 6-10-2008 at 19:11
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Originally posted by LSemmens


As I've not seen the program to which you refer, I'll respond in light of the comments here.



It's been posted on Youtube Leigh :)

Here are:-

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TooCute4Words

[*] posted on 6-10-2008 at 19:05
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Originally posted by janet
- and we've only ourselves to blame.

Blaming the government makes no sense at all.


"People" are to blame.

The Government are people and so are we.

Finding a way out of this mess is impossible. Esther Rantzen has made an effort, but that won't change anything.

Talking about "children" and how we should help them can win an election. It gets votes more than helping the pentioners, sadly :(
TooCute4Words

[*] posted on 6-10-2008 at 18:58
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Originally posted by the bear
I watched the programme,it was a damming indictment as to sort of society we have have become, civilised? I think not.


Regards the Bear


Pathetic? - "I think so" :(

We are far from civilised these days. There ain't really a word for it actually, thats why I use "Pathetic", it fits :(
TooCute4Words

[*] posted on 6-10-2008 at 18:56
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Originally posted by Badgergirl
I couldn't quite believe it myself!


"Believe it"!!!!! It's as real as it gets Badgergirl. Words like Nanny state and Political Correctness and Wrapping children up in cotton wool is very real in 2008.

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I don't mind people thinking I'm about to abduct a child if I'm talking to it in a mall. If the kid is lost, at least I know MY intentions are to protect the child.

I'm fairly sure that the moment the parents are found it would become clear that I was helping the child, and anyone suspicious of me has every right to be. But they'd just be wrong in that case!


It's not so bad for a woman. This is really target against men.

How often do you get someone calling a woman a paedophile huh? I'd say almost-never!! Nevermind this 20 minute programme. It just doesn't happen.

However, a parent may still be concerned for other reasons.

Horrible "Gypsies" for example brshteeth

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You can't tell kids on one hand to ask for help if they are lost, and then not to talk to strangers!


That is a VERY good point :)

"A dilemma" confused2

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*sigh* If I worked in a shop and a kid came up to me and said they were lost, I'd be glad the child had the nouse* to approach someone at work in a public place instead of random folk in the street.


That would be the responsable thing to do imo too :)

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*for our transatlantic and upside down friends, that means brains!


"LSemmens" upside-down confused2 Well, maybe ;):P
LSemmens

[*] posted on 6-10-2008 at 12:29
nouse - Yes I know that one, BG!

As I've not seen the program to which you refer, I'll respond in light of the comments here.

If I see a child in stress with no evident guardian, I rather think I'd take the chance and speak to the child. I've been accused of worse, and lived. I also know that there are many who would stand beside me as to to my true intent. I'd rather be accused than live with the fact that I'd had the opportunity to assist a child who, for want of assistance, was then harmed.
janet

[*] posted on 4-10-2008 at 15:06
Agreed
Theravad

[*] posted on 4-10-2008 at 13:55
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Originally posted by janet
Yes, but who has made us that way?


The question is "how do we get back to a healthy relationship between adults and children?".

I find this an extremely frustrating area (one of my tasks is chair of governors @ a large primary school ); there is a massive over-sensitivity about this with parents complaining if another parent is using a camera at sports day and teachers not willing to pick up a child who has fallen over in the playground.

T
janet

[*] posted on 4-10-2008 at 12:09
Yes, but who has made us that way?

The media - or at least, we've allowed the media to do so.

Paediatricians having their houses vandalised because tabloid readers can't understand the difference between a medical speciality and a crime?

Vigilantism all over the place? People baying for blood, programmes on "who is REALLY targetting our children"?

We can't have it both ways. If we buy the media telling us ALL OUR CHILDREN ARE IN DANGER!!!111!!!! and THERE'S A PERVERT AROUND EVERY CORNER!!!111!!!, we have to put up with the fact that people will be too afraid to speak to children, even if the children need help.

Personally, if I see a child who is in distress, or lost, I watch for a while (to make sure it's not a child throwing a paddy with mum/dad next to them, which it often is). If the child really is lost, and I can see a member of staff or a security guard, I'll tell the staff member/guard. Otherwise, I'd probably talk to the child, but it's an iffy situation anymore - and we've only ourselves to blame.

Blaming the government makes no sense at all.
the bear

[*] posted on 4-10-2008 at 11:58
I watched the programme,it was a damming indictment as to sort of society we have have become, civilised? I think not.


Regards the Bear
Badgergirl

[*] posted on 3-10-2008 at 21:26
I couldn't quite believe it myself!

I don't mind people thinking I'm about to abduct a child if I'm talking to it in a mall. If the kid is lost, at least I know MY intentions are to protect the child.

I'm fairly sure that the moment the parents are found it would become clear that I was helping the child, and anyone suspicious of me has every right to be. But they'd just be wrong in that case!

You can't tell kids on one hand to ask for help if they are lost, and then not to talk to strangers!

*sigh* If I worked in a shop and a kid came up to me and said they were lost, I'd be glad the child had the nouse* to approach someone at work in a public place instead of random folk in the street.


*for our transatlantic and upside down friends, that means brains!
TooCute4Words

[*] posted on 3-10-2008 at 19:33
I just watched it and I'm furious of how much we have become a politically correct nation. I'm almost embarassed to be residing in the UK when I see things like this.

Those two children in that shopping centre looking so lost and over 1000+ people walked past them both and only 5 approached them to asked if they were alright. And most said that they were a little apprehensive of approaching them as somebody - or more may assume that they are going to abduct them or something

Most people are more afraid of themselves than the safety of a child.

And School teachers have their hands tied too. When a child had a splinter in his finger, the school had to phone up the parents to get one of them to come down to the school and get it out. No teacher could do that.

Then I hear that a child drowned after being spotted by a man in a car who chose not to stop and check whether a child was okay because he was afraid that someone or more may think he was a paedo or an abductor, etc.. so he left the child wondering.

She then drowned later on :(

Everyone is so scared nowadays. Even talking about it makes you scared, right?

That's why no one has replied to this thread or another one I started on the same subject, simply because what Esther Rantzen partly blames herself for starting has really taken effect.

Everyone is saying how important children are, but yet to help one or talk to one is too risky!!

Two old ladies were taking photo's of a swimming pool while no children were present, but they got approached by management who were asking questions?

How bad have things got in 2008 eh' ?

Having kids is risky

Talking to kids is risky

Talking about them is risky

When is it going to stop? Well Esther has tried...for 20 minutes rolls_eyes
TooCute4Words

[*] posted on 3-10-2008 at 18:35
It's on ITV1 tonight at 8:00pm, that's 14 minutes time okay :)

I'm going to tape it now, as my mum can't tear herself away from the flippin' soaps and Eastenders is on waggyfinger

...Oh well smokin:

Anyway, it really shows how scared people are today at approaching children anywhere.

We really have become a nanny state.

Read here

Don't forget to watch..okay!! It's only 30 minutes long..:)